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Never leave CS6. CC pricing sucks, but this is even worse...

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June 18, 2013
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It has been discussed many times, the pricing of CC sucks and Europeans get ripped off by this Irish company with all its tax benefits.

But there is worse news. Encore has been scrapped. You can no longer deliver on BDR or DVD if you go to CC.

Adobe has single-handedly decided that Bluray and DVD are almost dead and the future is in delivering to iPhone or i-crap only. So they took away Encore altogether in CC. They have admitted they can withdraw any application from the Cloud when they like and you have to accept that. No recourse, no apologies, no refund, nothing. Take it or leave it.

For me that is EOS. I will continue using CS6 untill I find a good replacement, but CC is not at all interesting without delivery to BDR or DVD. In fact it is a complete turn-off.

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Neossir

Inspiring

Since we are so many that need Encore CC, why not asking Adobe to work on it ?

From what I understood CC is all about listening the customer and developping for the majority the tools they need. If Adobe can't provide a new version of Encore, at least they could develop a new tool to author DVD and BR, with new functionality and less bugs than there were in Encore.

What do you think ?

Mark Morreau

Inspiring

Tento wrote:
Since we are so many that need Encore CC, why not asking Adobe to work on it ?

And here's the place to do it:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

Well, let's face it Dynamic Link from Premiere CS6 to Encore CS6 never worked correctly anyways so why enable with CC since it hasn't been updated. This just forces people to not have problems with Dynamic Link anymore, very clever.

I'd agree that DL with Encore was a 'big button' solution best avoided, but there are still plenty of features Adobe could add to Encore that we'd really benefit from. Seamless menus, BD-J, multiple angles, 3D, etc. Not nearly enough of the country has access to sufficient bandwidth to deliver the same quality, and streaming rarely delivers any of the special features. Physical media will be with us for at least the next decade, probably a lot longer if 4K ever becomes a $20/title reality.

Adobe really dropped the ball on this one waaaaaaaay too soon.

On the up side, DoStudio Authoring Indie Edition is on sale until July 31st. Normally $3,000, it's now only $2,295. It's hefty price tag, to be sure, but it is a fully functional BD authoring program and even includes the necessary AACS fees so you can send BDCMF formatted discs for replication.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/dostudioindie

Mark Morreau

Inspiring

They haven't scrapped Encore.

It's still there as part of the Creative Cloud Subscription.

BUT Adobe haven't made it particularly straightforward for you to find it.

You have to install Premiere Pro Family CS6 from the list of available Creative Cloud applications. The CS6 programs remain available to Creative Cloud subscribers as Jim Simon says. Installing that gives you Premiere Pro AND Encore.
Then you can leave it there, or you can uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 leaving Encore CS6 in place.

Now you have Premiere Pro CC and Encore CS6.

What you don't have is a dynamic link between PPro and Encore. Speaking personally, this was something which I found so buggy that I never used. I always rendered out my assets and imported them into Encore. So loss of this dynamic link no big thing for me. YMMV.

So Harm is absolutely wrong to say "You can no longer deliver on BDR or DVD if you go to CC."

Mark Morreau

Inspiring

And Dave Hemly's made a great blogpost about exactly how to do this.

http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/

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Geronimosan

Inspiring

That's not adequate. I don't want, nor am I paying $30/month, to play the install/uninstall/install/uninstall/etc game.

Adobe needs to make available Encore CC. They also need to make available Fireworks CC, for those of us who do a lot of web graphics design.

I didn't think CC was going to be that bad, so I bought into it - but now that CC has launched and I have installed what it has to offer and used it, I am sorely disappointed. Adobe is simply playing B.S. games with it's paying customers, and I am already tired of this BS on Day 1 of their CC launch.

At least there is a 30-day refund policy in place - they did something right.

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Geronimosan

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Christ, WTF. I just found this out, as I subbed to CC and after moving all of my projects and apps over, tried to burn a couple projects to dics. And... yup, no Encore. There are so many things wrong with Adobe and their CC model, and had I realized they had removed Encore from CC, that would have been the final straw that would have kept me from buying into this CC crap.

I am absolutely infuriated right now.

joshweiland

Known Participant

I just made the discovery that Encore is no more. And by "discovered", that's what I mean. I installed all the new shiny software, and...where is Encore?!?

WHY WAS THIS NOT ANNOUNCED BEFOREHAND?!??!?!?!? Fireworks users were given advance notice.

As Encore was rolled up into Premiere several releases ago, I assumed it still would...especially since there was no indication otherwise.

Mark Morreau

Inspiring

joshweiland wrote:
I just made the discovery that Encore is no more. And by "discovered", that's what I mean. I installed all the new shiny software, and...where is Encore?!?
WHY WAS THIS NOT ANNOUNCED BEFOREHAND?!??!?!?!? Fireworks users were given advance notice.
As Encore was rolled up into Premiere several releases ago, I assumed it still would...especially since there was no indication otherwise.

Josh, why don't your read the whole thread? You'll find all the information you need to install Encore alongside your shiny new software.

Perhaps if you'd read all the way through this thread before posting you wouldn't have felt the need to shout at us like that.

You're wrong about there being "no indication otherwise". There've been blog posts about it from Adobe staff. Look, here's one dated May 15th that might have given a small hint (to anyone capable of reading between the lines): it's called "using Encore CS6 with Premiere Pro CC". There's even a helpful little video at the end.

http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2013/05/using-encore-cs6-with-premierepro-cc.html

Stan Jones

Community Expert

That is a "feature" no one was touting. I still find it hard to believe they've left CC with no integrated authoring tool.

But I believe it has little to do with their really believing that DVD/BD is dead. (And they are officially just saying that they believe "The trend in the video and broadcast industry is moving away from physical media distribution." and "The future is in cloud and streaming content. Therefore we are focusing more on products that deliver to streaming services.")

http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.html

The reality is that from their licensing the authorcore from Sonic, Encore was always behind. They added some features that were always a bit off, I still believe because they couldn't take on the authorcore. They don't want to be bothered with fixing the Adobe problems that are in Encore or otherwise investing in what, for many of us, is an essential tool for our work.

While many users had problems with, or otherwise did not like, dynamic link between Premiere and Encore, there appears to be no workaround to continue using DL from CC to Encore CS6.

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Shane_P

Inspiring

Wow, I had no clue Encore was scrapped. That is insane. So many editors still deliver Bluray or DVD projects to individual clients. Just wow. I agree that that eventually is going the way of digital downlaods and streaming but to just pull the carpet out on it while there is still plenty of need for it is surprising. But then again if I recall Apple's new iMac doesn't have a CD/DVD player no more so I guess it's "monkey see monkey do".

I love the new PPCC, I like the CC model, but I always figured at some point Encore would get pulled but no so soon. I was figuring at least a few more years down the road.

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Shane_P

Inspiring

"but every one of them still wants that hard copy on disk with the nice packaging"

Absolutely!

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

It is disappointing that we didn't get a new version of Encore, preferably with some nice new BD menu features, with the new CC versions rolled out yesterday. But it does look like Encore CS6 is still included with your Creative Cloud subscription.

I do read articles from other sources pointing to the inevitable demise of optical disks. TDK has even announced their departure from the business. This does make me wonder how the hell we're supposed to deliver our products, though. I ask every client how they want their video delivered, and everyone of them says either DVD or Blu-ray. Not a one has ever said they want a web or 'device' version as the primary deliverable. Some might like it as value added, but every one of them still wants that hard copy on disk with the nice packaging.

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joe_bloe_premiere

Inspiring

I ask every client how they want their video delivered,
and everyone of them says either DVD or Blu-ray.

Of course they do!

Encore CS6 / EOL

Is the Encore CS6 version the final release of this product?

"Yes. The trend in the video and broadcast industry is moving away

from physical media distribution. The future is in cloud and streaming

content. Therefore we are focusing more on products that deliver to

streaming services.

For example, Adobe Media Encoder and Adobe Premiere Pro CC

include a new feature allowing users to create iPad-ready video with

QuickTime chapter markers."

Oooh... iPad ready video!

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

That's very disappointing. I really wanted some new features for BDs.

Time to start saving for the pro-authoring options.

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