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April 27, 2022
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is there a way to go back to the previous Export Panel, this new one does not fit with personalised workspaces... thanx

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Correct answer Ishan Y

Hey Massimiliano5FBB,

My apologies for the inconvenience, only way to go back to the previous export panel would be to install the previous version of Premiere Pro (v22.2). You can find the guide to do so here.

I have noted your feedback and will share it with the team. You may also post your suggestions at the UserVoice.

Regards,

Ishan

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Derjis

Inspiring

Has anyone tried to export something while they have an undocked panel open, by the way? I love how the entire UI is locked and you can't actually do anything until you switch back to the Edit UI, close the undocked panel and switch back to the Export UI.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Don't normally have undocked panels, as for my stuff, I'll use custom workspaces. But I know others do, and yea, that's not working as you'd expect. I can't even move the undocked panel or close it. Not good.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Rob217717683hsl

Inspiring

The general consensus is that the new import panel is bad. Yes, some users might want to add media using the simple interface. However, most won't. So the fact that it takes 90% of the screen makes little sense. Also, performance of the panel is terrible. Selecting multiple clips lags the whole panel (unless this has been fixed recently?)

TLDR: Most users hate this UI update

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Derjis

Inspiring

I'd like to reiterate that, contrary to certain peoples' fallacious arguments, the new Export Panel objectively sucks. It's not a matter of opinion that it sucks; it's an objective fact that it sucks, based on very clear, observable criteria. This isn't a case of "some people like broccoli; some people hate broccoli ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". The new UI farts in the face of extremely basic, established UX design principles and best practices. Like, this kind of thing might be undertandable coming from a first-year design student at a local community college, but from one of the richest companies in the ENTIRE WORLD?! It's an embarassment.

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Derjis

Inspiring

Look, @ R Neil Haugen, I know you've gotta tow the Adobe line here, but come on. Objectively speaking, which of these export UI:
a) is more intuitive and user friendly

b) is a better use of space

c) has a layout that is actually well thought out

There is no world in which anyone can reasonably claim that the new Export interface is in any way, shape or form "better" than the previous version

R Neil Haugen

Legend

There is no world in which anyone can reasonably claim that the new Export interface is in any way, shape or form "better" than the previous version.

This statement is personal opinion, which of course you are welcome to. And if you actually, like, read my posts, you'd know I don't care for this Export page much either. So we are in general probably pretty much in agreement on that page.

So give up the stupid "you've got Adobe's line" thing, really? How many times do I have to point out that this thing annoyed me so much I built a complete set of presets to AVOID using it? What part of that have you somehow missed?

That said ... just because I don't like something, doesn't make me totally, absolutely obliviously incapable, of realizing others might like that same thing. Which yes, can be downright annoying, and quite often is.

I was just at a SMPTE event, where I spent some time around some of the folks doing in-house corporate video production for some of the largest corporations on the planet. Nearly everything they do is quite frequently posted in final form to mulitple outputs, social media & such.

For them, this export page is awesome. Well, that just maybe blows the whole absolute statement quoted up-top outta the water.

Humans are primarily diverse creatures by nature. Period. You have to allow for massive diversity, and accept that quite often what makes sense to others is not sensible to you. That's Life.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Derjis

Inspiring

I mean, there are people out there who still fanatically insist that Elon Musk is "smart" and a "good business man", so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Something can be objectively terrible, and people will still inexplicably line up to rave about how amazing it is.

I did read through your posts before replying. TBH -- and I'm perfectly willing to admit that I misinterpreted this -- the tenor of your comments seemed to lean towards "hey, just do all of this extra stuff and you'll eventually get used to it!" This has nothing to do with "accepting that others love what doesn't make sense to you". This is, from a 100% purely objective standpoint, terrible design. Shockingly terrible.

The easiest way to make a UX work across setups ranging from tiny 1280x800 screens to 49" 5120 x 1440 ultrawides to multi-monitor 7640 x 2160 setups? Have a pop-up dialogue box that maintains its general aspect ratio across all screens. No sober, experienced UX designer thinks it's a good idea to build an interface that hides mosts commonly used functions, and takes over the entire area of your screen when the expected use-cases range from 16:9 to 32:9. Who reasonably thinks that this is a good idea?! SMDH

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Joemaniax

Participant

5 important aspects of the new export panel

1. Publishing - almost positive experience

Much more visible and easy to work with, unless the publish settings are all saved in a preset (this is why we make presets) and choosing that preset does not activate the correct publish settings (like which yt playlist needs to be selected or which ftp account).

2. Canceling the export - negative experience

Export is now a tab inside a panel (with home button and other things we don't need to see), is not a window, so cancel the export action does not work with Esc key, you need to look up that said (nameless, unselectable and unmoveable) panel and go to Edit tab. Hint: shift+3 is my shortcut to see the timeline -- DOES NOT WORK from export Tab. There is NO shortcut for Edit Tab.

3. Video settings - negative experience

Important aspects are now cuccumbered under more click scroll actions. We start from a preset, that's fine, but some things need to be changed or tuned quite frequently. The export bitrate is hidden under video, then under more. The More button has to die.

Presets and format - what an antagonistic experience - First off, presets shown are based on Format, so Format must be first in line to change. After Format is choosen, we have the "most" common presets for that format shown, but we must click the more button to discover more presets which opens in a New Window... DICK design.

4. Navigation - neutral experience

Seriously now, it's not all about mouse experience, keys like PgUP or Home or Down key need to react in the Export panel.

Also - now there is a nameless new panel in our layout occuping space.

5. Customization - negative experience

Nothing is moveable, hidden-able, sortable from preferences nor resizeable.

What shortcuts can we use to choose between deciding to send to media encoder or to export directly?

Overall experience: BAD.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Great post. Detailed, accurate.

And that #3 is why I suggest that you make presets for every variant of a format/codec choice you would regularly use. After "un-favoriting" ALL built-in presets.

A tedious process? Yes, but a one-time process. Then you only rarely need to click "more".

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Francis-Crossman17221443

Principal Product Manager

In regards to the complaints about Export mode not allowing you to chose a name from a previous export as a starting place for the name . . . this issue has been fixed and you can test it in public beta right now. We have implimented a "Save As" dialog instead of just a simple location picker which we had before. This allows you to set the name in the same step as choosing the location including the ability to click on a previous file to copy the name. We ususally don't promise when a fix will be released, but I can say that we intend to get this into the very next patch release since this is causing such a headache for so many people. Many appologies for the inconvenience.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Francis,

On my PC, on beta build 22.5.0 build 40 ... I'm not seeing any "save as ..." option, I get what has been happening. A blank folder window. Period.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Finally found the new 'save as' option ... it's a tiny phrase in the upper left corner of that first dialog that opens when you click the filename of the export.

One rather major issue ... past it is SO not obvious a process ... it only shows media in the same format as the current export!

Um ... so, you're now wanting to make an H.264 deliverable of your master file ... but the master is a ProRes therefore mov ... and you can't see mov filenames with an H.264 export.

For me, that's rather a problem.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

jackpm1979

Participant

I can't understand who thought this new UI was a good idea - its truly awful. I have reverted back to version 22.2 until it is fixed. The worst complaint of it is that if you go to export then change your mind there is no way to cancel the export! Adobe is a joke and this from a 20+ year user.

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Knight3D

Inspiring

I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, and believe Adobe does not have the best interests of professional editors at heart these days - but, there are 2 non-obvious solutions to exiting the Export non-window (or whatever Adobe wants to call the UX that takes up an entire screen).

1. Hit ESC. It takes you back to your timeline.
2. Click the Edit button on the new header bar. The word Edit is located directly below the Edit menu, which makes it unbelievable that not a single dev or tester questioned why placing the word Edit in the header bar right below the 30 year old Edit menu might confuse users.

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brooklynp95622726

Participant

I hate it too. Mostly because there's two separate clicks now to name and then place your file. Before I could find the folder of my Project, click the name of my Premier File to automatically name my file and save it it in place. Now I gotta do the pre-work of copying and pasting the name from Finder to name it in the export window (which I didn't realize is just some overlayed thing on my Premier File, and when exiting out of it, I'm actually closing all of Premier). I'm sure in some aspects this new export panel is fancier and clearer, but in the everyday, constant actions I take, it is WAY more annoying.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

As noted in many places, the missing filenames is "an unfortunate oversight", never intended, and soon will be gone in another patch.

If you take the time to unstar all the stupid presets you'll never use, and create detailed presets you do use with all options 'down below' set as you need, the new Export dialog works. Mostly. (With the caveat noted above.)

If you don't, it's a total pain in the tush.

Otherwise, Send to Me, get the old one. And of course, it doesn't interrupt your working in Premiere while the export is going out.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Ann Bens

Community Expert

Send your timeline to AME then you can use the old fashioned export settings.

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daapap

Inspiring

I liked the old one better as well:

I have one huge monitor I work with and the New Project / Import / Export panels are a real pain on it. I always have to switch back and force between full screen or not now.

Also i don't see an option in the import window to retain the the disc's folder structure in the project without manually creating bins. I have no idea what all these changes are good for.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

There is no reason to use the new project creation process differently than you did before. Truly.

Give you project a Name, Location, and click Create. Then import via Project panel or MediaBrowser as before.

Some users will like the new import page. I can see how it can be useful for some workflows. It only allows one "bin" though and the sort thing puzzles me at times. So I'll be working as before, Name/locate/create.

And for the Export page, if you put the time in to both unstar all the presets and create your own in full details, it works fine. It is annoying to need the dropdow 'more' options, so I made sure my presets included anything from "down there".

And of course, as Ann notes, the Me export is the same old one. So you can queue to Me.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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daapap

Inspiring

Hi Neil,

all this is true but it does not meet my complaints: The design is pure nonsense. It will be allright for a 24 inch full HD monitor but it is not for a 49 inch monitor with 5120x1440 resolution. The designers should think about solutions which work in all environments. And hopefully they will not stumble into the Avid-trap - GUI puerility instead of substantial improvements.

And what is an import window good for which only allows one bin? Like you i will be "working as before, Name/locate/create", import as before and live with the flaws of the new export window.

That is what I meant to say: I can't see what all this is good for.

Ishan Y

Correct answer

Community Manager

Hey Massimiliano5FBB,

My apologies for the inconvenience, only way to go back to the previous export panel would be to install the previous version of Premiere Pro (v22.2). You can find the guide to do so here.

I have noted your feedback and will share it with the team. You may also post your suggestions at the UserVoice.

Regards,

Ishan

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