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January 26, 2022
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NEW TOOL COLOR TRANSFORM Premiere 22

  • January 26, 2022
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When the necessary new tool for developing material from the camera appears on the color page without losing information in details. Without LUTs. Straight from the camera. So that there is 100% detail without distortion of the color space. This tool is needed right now. For example, the name Convert the color with the camera profile settings and boom the purest quality of the development frame in Premiere.

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chrisw44157881
Inspiring
January 26, 2022

I don't usually plug plugins, but since Premiere isn't going to support ACEs anytime soon, check out Cinematch.

 

"CineMatch converts your footage from one Log picture style to another. Mix and match between SLog2/3, CLog, BRaw, V-Log/L, RED IPP2 and more, and apply the correct REC.709 transform with a single click.

chrisw44157881
Inspiring
January 28, 2022

and here's an ACES plugin for Premiere.  Boris Sapphire 2020 features a new effect called S_OCIOTransform, which allows Sapphire to apply an OCIO transform inside of any application, bringing OCIO Color Management to many applications that have yet to adopt the OCIO standard.

Baffy19Author
Legend
January 28, 2022

Yes, I have heard and seen. But, such a similar tool should be in Premiere. He has to be there. The correct display of the color space is the key to image quality. The lut can be tinted or adjusted to give style. But, first you need to competently develop this material. I still don't understand why so much time has passed since the introduction of standard tools on the color page panel and that's it. There is no development with color in Premiere today. I think developers should and are simply obliged to keep this page up to date and look for solutions so that users simply have a lot of opportunities when working with color, and not limited sliders of dark, medium and light. This does not resemble a professional product, but something similar to an amateur application with three settings.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 26, 2022

I think what you're asking for is essentially tonemapping? Or CSTs, color space transforms, for each camera that a user selects? I'm not sure from your comment.

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Baffy19Author
Legend
January 26, 2022

Everything is clear Neil. This is not tone mapping in any way.
It doesn't come close to the tool you called CSTs. It is CSTs that needs to be implemented as soon as possible. What is happening now with the manifestation of color from the camera (LOG/RAW) is profanity. LUTS is not the option and it does not give what CSTs.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 26, 2022

Well, what you're suggesting is not clear to me, that's why I'm asking.

 

You mention LUTs ... which aren't applied automatically by Premiere on anything, so that's confusing.

 

What is currently happening with some log-encoded media is that Premiere is seeing it as HLG/HDR. When actually is it just supposed to be log-encoded Rec.709. Premiere is supposed to be able to note when a file has Rec.709/sRGB color property tagging, that even if log-encoded it's still Rec.709. And for some formats/cameras, it does.

 

But for some others, it fails, and sees the log-encoding and improperly assumes Rec.2100/HLG as the nature of the media. The engineers have said it ain't supposed to be doing that, so they're trying to fix that part.

 

Which is kind of understandable when you know that all HDR media is encoded in a log format. Such as in the name, Hybrid Log Gamma ... that's a hybrid (mixing) of log encoding for all but the shadow regions, which use a gamma encoding process similar to SDR/Rec.709.

 

Further ... Pr2022 has clearly a completely new underlying color system/engine/whatever you call it.  They haven't specifically said so, just talked about the many changes to color managment and default behaviors in Pr2022. But from working with it, yep, it isn't the old Rec.709 underlying math "with the ability to work with over-range data to work with HLG/PQ HDR media" cadged onto it.

 

So the reason we're getting some clear errors on the part of Pr's color right now is it's a totally newly built system. And yes, there are several errors from what the engineers expect such as the totally broken proxy system for HLG/PQ clips. And again, they're working on fixing it. It ain't supposed to be like this.

 

So ... that said, what would you like to see for behavior?

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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