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warwickj52349404
warwickj52349404
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May 24, 2022
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No audio speed controls!? That's it, I'm quitting Adobe for good.

  • May 24, 2022
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How does a "professional" video editing software not have speed controls for audio!?

 

So many bugs, so many janky half-arsed features, so much headache and so little optimisation on my very expensive computer. I'm done. I'm absolutely without a doubt dumping Adobe for good after I export this next project.

 

BYE!

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warwickj52349404
warwickj52349404Author
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July 31, 2022

Feels good to be vindicated by a well-known industry pro.

 

I honestly think Adobe will see their comeuppance very soon. If I had spare capital I would short Adobe shares. I've never been more confident that an industry standard tool is totally and utterly ratshit, and as soon as there's a critical mass of people switching over it will fall like a house of cards.

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
Legend
July 31, 2022

These apps are all tools ... fancy hammers, so lose the emotions and simply use what works for you. Don't worry about who has what market share or is used by anyone else. And let everyone else get on with work also.

 

I use both Premiere and Resolve daily. And I teach how to work color in Premiere for those colorists based in Resolve or Baselight that for some reason have to work a project in Premiere.

 

Personally, I HATE  Resolve's UI ... but I have friends who LOVE the Resolve UI. And the way they locked that UI down so it's not customizable much, and they completely lock down all 3rd party tools like my Tangent Elements panel. Because of course, their profit model is to provide a free or cheap software (Resolve) to get you to buy hardware.

 

And BlackMagic makes their profit on hardware, not software.

 

But it's all absolutely awesome ... no matter whether you prefer Premiere, Avid, or Resolve, we can each have something we like to work in that works for us.

 

And at the moment, Premiere is screaming along on both my 24 core Ryzen desktop and 4-year old Acer laptop. Wonderful performance.

 

And given that both Premiere and Resolve are getting new users every day, I don't think either is in fear of going away. Yea, we all win!

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    warwickj52349404
    warwickj52349404Author
    Known Participant
    August 2, 2022

    Soooo much wrong with this:

    1. Users have choice, therefore Adobe need not lift a finger to their product? Some people don't have a choice about what software they use because of production-wide compatability. I'm entitled to be express emotion when making substantial complaint about a tool I'm forced to use day-in, day-out to make a living, especially when you consider its well within Adobe's capacity to fix every single one of these issues.

    2. BlackMagic make money from their hardware? So what? They've proven that it's possible to build better software that's more stable and is packed with more features that are integrated into a single UI using less money... Adobe has 25,000 employees and recieves as much as US$250/year from every person that uses Premiere Pro. That's likely close to a billion dollars a year in revenue... WHERE DOES IT ALL GO!? How are we even having this conversation if they have that kind of money flying around?

     

    3. I strongly disagree that Adobe will continue to see the success they're seeing if they don't get their act together and fix these issues. Maybe you don't talk to the people in the industry I talk to, or watch the same YouTubers I watch, or join the Facebook groups I join... But I see a growing trend of people renouncing Premiere Pro because it's too unstable and too buggy, interrupts their creative flow and stifles their enjoyment of the craft. I spend half my day Googling how to get around bugs and it's insane.

    Harold Silva
    Community Expert
    Harold SilvaCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    May 25, 2022

    Hola creo que antes de darte por vencido con un programa deberias haber investigado un poco mas al respecto, modificar la velocidd del audio es una de las cientos de funcionalidades del programa. es tan igual que como hacerlo con el video.

     

    Salu2

    Harold Silva B.
      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      May 25, 2022

      It seems you have not a lot of knowledge of using the program. There are speed controls available whether audio or video. I run FOUR monitors, and use extensive custom keyboard shortcuts. Warp ... an especially heavy effect for its demands on hardware ... is best used sparingly and then as noted, nested before applying other effects.

       

      I don't see that any of your current complaints actually are valid.

       

      Which is not to say that there aren't a lot of very valid complaints to be made about this or any other program. For certain, there are ... and I've had my share of rants about things here.

       

      Neil

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
        W
        Warwick5E2C
        Participating Frequently
        May 25, 2022

        If you're genuinely interested in the issues I've described (as well as a few more), feel free to read about them here:

         

        Custom Keyboard shortcuts:
        https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-beta-discussions/keyboard-shortcuts-are-disabled-on-second-screen/m-p/11513115

         

        Warp stabilizer w/ proxies:

        https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/warp-stabilizer-disables-proxies/m-p/8756488

        Reverse clip choppy playback:

        https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/premier-pro-cc-reverse-clip-choppy/m-p/6594354

        https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/choppy-playback-with-reverse-speed-clip/m-p/10401914

         

        Audio speed ramping totally absent:

        https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/38914384-audio-speed-time-remapping-in-premiere-pro

        The list goes on and on and on. I don't know how you manage not to tear your hair out. I'm going back to FCP, and long term plan to move to Blackmagic's ecosystem.

         

        R Neil Haugen
        R Neil Haugen
        Legend
        May 25, 2022

        Yes ... the keyboard shorts issue in the public beta, only with floating panels, that was also listed as having been fixed months ago. I was on that discussion, you might note ...

         

        And Warp with proxies ... rather a minor thing, really. Warp is such an intensive effect, the best use is easily to get the clip "fixed", then do a full Render & Replace operation to get full media in to replace the file and get the Warp outta the project.

         

        There's so many potential issues with 'leaving' a Warp'd clip on a sequence, from any time remapping or significant color corrections. And any further resizing. I simply don't understand leaving a time bomb on your sequence. And ... that is SUCH a heavy effect, that isn't going to become less of a time bomb.

         

        And reversed clips that were (first case) interlaced or (second case) drone 4k H.264 ... saved by rendering the timeline. Um ... not big issues, easily fixed actually.

         

        The audio speed remapping is something probably better handled in Audition then.

         

        And no matter where you go, you're going to find issues. I'm a regular user of Resolve, I even teach Resolve users how to work in Premiere. And those colorists ... even the ones that love Resolve ... can still give a list of issues they deal with.

         

        As does the BlackMagic and LGG forums.

         

        It's ... software. NLEs. All it seems now built trying to do all things for all people on all software with nearly all media. And all of them strugging with bits here and there.

         

        They're tools. Fancy hammers. That's all.

         

         

        Neil

        Everyone's mileage always varies ...
        Warren Heaton
        Community Expert
        Warren HeatonCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        May 24, 2022

        Are you using J, K and L?  Tap L a second time and you'll double the playback speed.  Tap it again and you'll double it again.  Shift L will step through slower than realtime increments.  We can also hold combinations like K and L at the same time.

         

        W
        Warwick5E2C
        Participating Frequently
        May 25, 2022

        Why are you telling me how to skim my timeline? I want to change the speed of audio in my video, not change the speed of playback in my program monitor.

        Warren Heaton
        Community Expert
        Warren HeatonCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        May 25, 2022

        Thank you for the clarification.

         

        Select the audio clip in the Sequence and then choose Clip > Speed/Duration.  Premiere Pro can also maintian pitch.



        warwickj52349404
        warwickj52349404Author
        Known Participant
        May 24, 2022

        Also, no warp stabilisation on clips with retiming? No warp stabilsation on proxies? No custom keyboard shortcuts when you're using two monitors? — Adobe?

         

        Mod note: Please do not use profanity on Adobe forums. It is against community guidelines.

        Peru Bob
        Community Expert
        Peru BobCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        May 25, 2022
        quote

        Also, no warp stabilisation on clips with retiming?


        By @warwickj52349404

         

        Nest the clip, apply the retiming on the new sequence, then apply Warp on the nest in the main sequence.

        Kevin-Monahan
        Community Manager
        Kevin-MonahanCommunity Manager
        Community Manager
        May 26, 2022
        @Peru Bob wrote:
        quote

        Also, no warp stabilisation on clips with retiming?


        By @warwickj52349404

         

        Nest the clip, apply the retiming on the new sequence, then apply Warp on the nest in the main sequence.

        Why? Why do I have to nest the clip, drag it into the corresponding bin, relabel it, lose the ability to scale and position it, for all the world drag and retime it without going into the nested sequence. Why? Every other NLE develor has worked it out. If Adobe want to be taken seriously they should fix this kind of rubbish.


        Hi,

        Hey, good question. The "why" has to do with changing the order of effects in an operational sense. Referred to as the rendering order pipeline, it's "the math" behind the order of operations that creates these wonderful effects.

        This "changing of the render order" (especially for speed effects) is something as a video editor you may have to contend with in some situations. In my case, if an effect didn't look quite right, I changed the stacking order of the effects. If that didn't work I gave nesting a go to change the order of the effects. I usually got things working again.

        I also worked on another NLE at a different company, and it had the same issue. As I recall, Speed Effects need to be applied ahead of specific effects to work correctly. AE also reacts this way to certain effects and the order they should be in to achieve a certain effect.

        Not sure what other NLEs do to work around the issue. Perhaps they are nesting in the background or something. Sounds like a significant piece of dev to me (note, I'm not a dev. I'm in support). Support employees are here, but devs hang out on User Voice. This space is a user-to-user forum, so no one is "hiding."

        An article about this if you have more interest: https://blog.neatvideo.com/post/pr-order

        Thanks,
        Kevin

        Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
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