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Naima-Naima
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February 23, 2023
Question

PP Exports look flat...

  • February 23, 2023
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Hi Community,

 

I have been using PP professionally for a couple of years. It is very annoying how different the footage looks like on PP and once exported on my Macbook Pro. I have use the gamut LUT everyone is talking about and it still doesn't match.

I have used the "color checker display" device to "calibrate" my monitor but the results aren't satisifying.

The best I have found but still not ideal is to create another adjustment layer on top of everything before exporting and bump the saturation and contrast up. I wanted to share what my footage looks like in PP with the sat/contrast/black/shadows up (insanely up) and what the result looks like once exported.

It is nuts....

Why is it so different????? PP is supposed to be a pro software and this happening feels like a major flaw!

 

 

___On PP

 

 

___Once exported!!!

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R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
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February 23, 2023

This is a well known problem, and completely something neither Adobe nor BlackMagic can fix.

 

Premiere runs according to the FULL Rec.709 standards. Every Rec.709 file export will play correctly on any Rec.709 compliant system.

 

For example, export a proper looking file,  without any additional crud, from Premiere. Re-import, and check it in Premiere. Same image, gee.

 

Try viewing the export in VLC, not QuickTime Player. Probably looks pretty close to Premiere.

 

What's the problem?

 

Apple has ColorSync set to apply only the camera transform function of gamma 1.96 to the display of Rec.709 video.

 

But the actual standard requires a display transform of gamma 2 4.

 

So your Mac uses an improper display gamma. That's the issue. Any viewer that allows ColorSync to control color management mis-displays Rec.709 video files.

 

And if you do darken the file via that "gamma compensation LUT", or just via Lumetri, so it looks the same as within Premiere but in QuickTime, you got another problem.

 

Because on all Rec.709 compliant screens, your file is now WAY too dark.

 

The sad thing is there is no "fix". You can't make a file that looks the same when displayed at two widely different gammas.

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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Naima-NaimaAuthor
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March 30, 2023

Thanks @R Neil Haugen  for your answer. It is helpful and also clear than when watching on VLC is looks just like PP.

Now my question for you is, what should I base my export on? What we produce are online courses that are streamed live. Our customers buy our service and play it on their computer or phone, via Vimeo and youtube.

We also create marketing content that is for FB, IG, Tiktok and youtube.

I hope I am clear in my question

Thank

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
Legend
March 30, 2023

You have a wide array of services distributing your content to users on different platforms. Correct?

 

In that situation I would choose sticking with standard Rec.709 processes. It will be a bit lighter in shadows on many Mac computer screens but as correct as you can get everywhere else.

 

Alternatively, I do know some people who have done things like apply an Adjustment layer over the whole sequence. With a Lumetri preset on it, which was made by using the Midtones Luma slider of the Color Wheels tab pulled down just enough to be visible.

 

They only turn visibility "on" for that track right before export, then scrub through once to make sure nothing is too dark, then export.

 

On a Mac, it's a slightly better image. On all else, barely on the darkish side, but neither enough to be objectional.

 

Neil

 

 

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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