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kaczorefx
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November 16, 2018
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Premiere 2019 HDR monitoring

  • November 16, 2018
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So we're at Premiere 2019 now, 4 editions after 2015 which introduced HDR grading.

Has anyone figured out a way to display the HDR video on the secondary screen?

We've got HDR screens, we've got HDR TVs, Win10 has HDR settings, mostly for gaming but still.

I imagine I need a Quadro card since HDR would be pointless without 10bit output.

I'm not even dreaming of real HDR in the program monitor (although it seems as if the Win10 settings allowed that, bringing all the ui dark and flat like they do) but at the very least it should work with full screen Mercury Transmit 😕😕

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kaczorefxAuthor
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November 17, 2018

Personally I have a different problem. I'm a generalist. I do everything from design, through CGI, simulations, rendering, compositing and I finish with grading,

As much as external devices are an inconvenience and additional cost, my main problem is the lack of PCIe lanes in the workstation. Between PCI SSD, Wifi, dual GPUs for rendering, and some other proprietary cards, I just don't have space for another PCI card, just to display an image on a freaking monitor - that's what GPUs were  always for :/

My main issue with this situation is that we know we can display HDR content using these GPUs. We've known that for 2 years now.

Everyone is using this except for us, professionals, the very people that  should get access to this technology first, so all other people have something to watch later. And yet, we are behind everyone else, I can't remember a situation where a new technology reached consumers first, and the industry years later :/

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
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November 17, 2018

Hey, I hear you. Saw a colorist article recently which covered HDR/wide-gamut distribution curves and what a colorist should have, and what they should be able to handle a year from now so need to make budgets for.

Wide-gamut ... not to worry about particularly, as that will change with HDR work essentially.

HDR ... unlike 3D, is coming. The percentage of b-cast that's in HDR now is still small and growing. So yea, a colorist can get plenty of work without going full-on high-nit monitors. But ... and it's a big one ... you better be watching, and when the prices start dropping on full HDR monitors you could grade & show to clients in-suite, you better be ready to add them in. Maybe by late spring/early summer, to give some time to get used to them. By fall 2019, he thought any 'major' b-cast colorist better be able to nonchalantly say yea, he's/she's had HDR for a while now. No biggie.

Which means this software has to have some major changes also.

So ... as many others, I push any chance I get for more working, usable! controls for the user for color-gamut and dynamic range. Now.

Pushing for this on the UserVoice system is a good thing, although I will say that talking with Karl Soule and David Helmly of PrPro's Hollywood group at MAX (third year I've TAd for them) ... many improvements come into PrPro from the needs of that group. And they're pushing hard for HDR/gamut controls now. So we have some pretty noted company in requesting that.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Mo Moolla
Mo Moolla
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November 17, 2018

Use the software that pays the bills and go to the software you prefer once the bugs are ironed out is what I say

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kaczorefxAuthor
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November 16, 2018

Yeah they do.

I already made a feature request for the Mercury Transmit. Just make it a full screen DirectX, like the MPC player. That approach would even work on GTX cards

    lobralobra
    lobralobra
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    November 16, 2018

    The problem is, Resolve is nearly without charge, for PPro i must pay every month money, but with many problems and no real HDR solution. This is a really problem for PPro, many users thinking to change the Software, because so many bugs in a new release!

    May be PPro is HW Independent, but I have no Profit when it not works. Then I buy HW and use Resolve and it works and I must spend no Money for the SW and i can work without Problems!

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
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    November 16, 2018

    You gotta get the work out the door to the nice (or maybe crappy...) people that pay your bills. So ... do what gets it done. And best wishes!

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    kaczorefxAuthor
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    November 16, 2018

    It's just it.

    Resolve is much better at HDR buuuut it still can't do it just by hooking your monitor to you GPU. You have to go through a BlackMagic break out box. I feel like everyone is making this waaaaay much more complicated than it needs to be :/

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    November 16, 2018

    Remember, BlackMagic makes Resolve to sell hardware ... both the required cards & external boxes to do transmit out, and of course control panels. You bet their interest is to make the full toys available only with their hardware.

    PrPro is "hardware independent" ... which also means they don't control the hardware. And their software controls for going to both wide-gamut and HDR are not particularly robust, either. I think they need more pushing on both issues.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    kaczorefxAuthor
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    November 16, 2018

    Rendering the timeline to green/yellow???? You mean the color of the cache bar?

    Anyway an Aja is another PCIe card, which is a waste in a workstation meant for more work than just editing. I understand it's benefits for professional monitoring on SDI reference screens, but just to be able to display to a TV is just overkill. Especially that it costs almost as much as the said TV

    Maybe I'm expecting too much but come on. A free MediaPlayer Classic is capable of outputting an HDR compliant signal to the TV, why is that a problem for the entirety of the Adobe system??

    lobralobra
    lobralobra
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    November 16, 2018

    Yes, I mean the color of the cache bar. Without a AJA Card you can not produce a HDR Video with PPro! You can make no real grading with the timeline monitor. The results are terrible. I think for HDR is the best to try Resolve. With the new PPro Version it is terrible editing, one crash after the other with PPro. The checking of software quality by Adobe is not good. I work since several years with PPro, but the latest version is very bad, i will try Resolve in my next Project. Excuse my bad English, i am German.

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    excited_Genie16B8
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    November 16, 2018

    I think a proper I/O device like the AJA Kona or Blackmagic Intensity would be better than a Quadro.

    Though I've heard it said that Transmit is limited to Rec.709, which means Premiere Pro just isn't suitable for any kind of proper UHD work, which uses the Rec.2020 standard, both with and without HDR.

    lobralobra
    lobralobra
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    November 16, 2018

    I use a HDR OLED Monitor with the AJA Kona Card for HDR Output. It works, but the Output is not 4K, it is 2K.

    Another problem is the rendering of the timeline to green, the result for HDR is terrible. You can not use it for the timelinemonitor,

    also not for the HDR Output via the AJA card. luminanz and color are terrible. You must Change your timeline to yello, than you

    have a good result.

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