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February 3, 2022
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Premiere Export no lumetri color

  • February 3, 2022
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Hallo liebe Community,

 

ich habe ein simples Video gecuttet und einfach mittels Lumetri Farbkorrektur leichte Abänderungen vorgenommen. Leider entspricht der Export nicht der Vorschau ansatzweise. Der Export ist deutlich blasser.

Weiß jemand woran das liegen kann?

Habe schon alles Mögliche ausprobiert...


Beste Grüße

Max

 

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R Neil Haugen
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February 3, 2022

I couldn't guess without knowing  lot more, and screen grabs drag/dropped onto the text reply box would be SO useful! Details of the OS and media involved would be needed also.

 

If you're on a Mac and working in SDR/Rec.709, there's one potential issue. If your clips are HLG/PQ, that's another potential issue. Just for starters.

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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February 3, 2022

I am working with the latest Macpro with MacOS Monterey 12.2 with 4K 50fps Footage within the latest PremierePro-Version.

 

On the left Side is my Output played by Ouicktimeplayer out of the Macbook. Rightside is my Preview before Exporting at Premiere Pro on my Macbook. Like you can see the Output is less saturated and like faded over the whole image.

 

I did different Exports and all look exactly the same.

 

Best regards

Max

 

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February 3, 2022

A very easy problem to diagnose. ColorSync strikes again!

 

Sadly, Apple for some unknown reason chose to create their own 'standards' for Rec.709/SDR video media within their color management utility, ColorSync.

 

Specifically they do not follow two of the required provisions of the long-used Rec.709 standards. They apply only one of two required transforms, and they apply an odd gamma. So there's no required display transform funtion applied by ColorSync, and they use gamma 1.96 rather than the specified 2.4.

 

So, on a Mac you must make sure the preferences option for "Display Color management" is checked on. This tells Premeire not to assume a correct Rec.709 display, and it checks the ICC profile/OS to see what is being used, and modifies the image within Premiere to get the closest to a proper Rec.709 viewing of the image data possible.

 

This gives you the best chance to get a good Rec.709 file out of Premiere. That's all Premiere can do.

 

Outside of Premiere on a Mac, it's a problem. Chrome and Safari browsers and the QuickTime player all allow ColorSync to mess with the video color/tonality. Firefox browser and VLC player typically do not, so you will tend to get more realistic Rec.709 images viewing in Firefox browser and VLC player.

 

I'm sorry, but there isn't any "fix" for this, as when Apple chose to apply different standards they chose to make everything different.

 

Adobe has provided a "gamma compensation LUT" and Davinci Resolve has an export option of "Rec.709-A", and yes, A is specifically for Apple. Both options get the same result, by two different processes.

 

The Adobe LUT darkens and oversaturates the file on export, so that outside of proper Rec.709 viewing as on a Mac, it looks mostly like a 'normal' Rec.709 file. However, on a normal proper Rec.709 system ... and most PCs ... that file will be way too dark and oversaturted.

 

The Resolve approach adds a different NCLC tag to the file header, which actually gets ColorSync to show the file with correct Rec.709 settings. However, on most PCs and proper Rec.709 systems, the result is the same as the Adobe LUT: the file is seen way too dark and oversaturated.

 

Among other things, I'll bet you haven't noticed that all professionally produced SDR/Rec.709 video media you watch via QuickTime player or over Chrome and Safari browsers have exactly the same thing done to them as what it does to your files?

 

Why? Because of course, you're used to what that screen shows you as "correct", and you've not seen what the colorist actuallly produced on a guaranteed tightly calibrated & profiled Rec.709 system.

 

Neil


Hey Neil,

 

thank you for helping me out.

 

Hereby i am sending you my preference-settings, maybe here within something is wrong which can fix that.

 

 

Otherwise - where can I get that gamma compensation LUT? I mean this can be an idea, but also seems to have problems at last if i am using this for social media postings because different mobile devices are using the plattforms and colours are going to be way different...

DaVinci Resolve is actually no option atm for myself.

 

Is there another possibility?

 

Also see my answer to Kevin inside the settings for more possibilities?

 

Thanks a lot!

 

Best regards 

Max

 

 

 

Community Expert
February 3, 2022

How are you viewing the export, what does it look like if you watch the export in Premiere?

Participating Frequently
February 3, 2022

I am working with the latest Macpro with MacOS Monterey 12.2 with 4K 50fps Footage within the latest PremierePro-Version.

 

 

 

On the left Side is my Output played by Ouicktimeplayer out of the Macbook. Rightside is my Preview before Exporting at Premiere Pro on my Macbook. Like you can see the Output is less saturated and like faded over the whole image.

 

I did different Exports and all look exactly the same.

 

Best regards

Max

 

Ann Bens
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 3, 2022
Participating Frequently
February 3, 2022

Actually it is Rec709 and its not that kind of failure, but thanks for your help. Immediately favored it 😄