Skip to main content
D
default6n6a3f00abl2
Participating Frequently
July 1, 2022
Question

Premiere pro latest Colourspace management updates has destroyed old projects

  • July 1, 2022
  • 1 reply
  • 689 views

The latest version of premiere pro brought the new colourspace workflows for HLG and PQ etc, however, multiple projects of mine are now unusable and unfixable in a reasonable timeframe - some not at all. This is TV commercial work which was graded and interpreted with various camera rushes.

In particular footage from internal Sony FX6 .mxf files shot in SLOG3.cine gamut are now incorrect when reinterpreted to rec709. Multiple people in other forum posts have tried to say that overrising the interpretation to rec709 fixes the issue, but IT DOES NOT. However footage taken from the same camera but via a shogun recording in Prores looks fine and exactly the same as always. So something has gone horribly wrong on the Adobe end cos I have tried every combination of Colourspace settings for footage, project, sequence and even messed with LUTs to try recreate the previous look that the camera gave me in viewfinder. It has not worked, creating a noisy image with incorrect gamma.

 

This needs fixed immediately, why are we paying for this crap?

 

This topic has been closed for replies.

1 reply

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
Legend
July 1, 2022

Have you used the Sony S-log3.cine option?

 

And I'd be happy to see if I could replicate what you're getting with those specific files. So giving a link to access a file, and including a screen grab in your reply of the specific image problems would be ever so helpful.

 

 

I've worked with several Sony mxf/S-log3.cine files provided from several different sources without troubles.

 

That said, the grading done in previous versions quite like needs to be redone. Their new Pr2022 has a completely new underlying color system ... everything is different. Why? It had to be.

 

The old system was totally based on Rec.709 standards. The only capability for working with HDR files was through a cadge they created to call the higher dynamic range (tonal values) and wider color gamut (chroma/color values) data as "over-range Rec.709" ... and that simply had to get replaced with a full system that can handle any expected tonal/chroma data values.

 

Unfortunately in my view, they didn't have a totally complete system ready at launch, which has caused a lot of troubles. With workarounds for much of it but only if you knew why and what to do. Which too many users didn't.

 

They've got more of it out in the current 22.5 shipping version, a couple more parts in the current public beta ... but it's still a hodge-podge feel to too many parts of CM.

 

Which is why among other things I've put in a request for an actual, real-life COLOR MANAGEMENT PANEL. Yes, I'm shouting!

 

We need one panel we can have up any time we want, that has all color management (CM) options ... settings, defaults, and overrides.

 

Neil

 

Color Management Panel

 

 

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
D
default6n6a3f00abl2Author
Participating Frequently
July 19, 2022

Hey Neil,

 

By default yes the mxf files are interpreted that way, but it's still wrong when compared to the prores files. See below that my LUTs no longer work correctly on MXF files yet do with the prores files

 

 

How footage should look (prores from atomos using the usual FX9 alistair chapman 709 LUT I use:

 

 

 

MXF default import interpretation:

 

 

This is the MXF after applying the usual FX9 alistair chapman 709 LUT I use with default SLOG interpretation detected above:

 

 

 

 

 

Trying to reinterprate the mxf as 709:

 

 

This is the MXF after applying the usual FX9 alistair chapman 709 LUT I use

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

D
default6n6a3f00abl2Author
Participating Frequently
July 20, 2022

Um ... no camera made has a truly accurate screen, not even the $70G Red & Arri rigs. If someone needs to check, one typically has a calibrated external monitor on set. And even then, that's normally to check with false color or zebra.

 

The goal with camera screens is to get them to 'useful' to see that your shot is captured decently for framing & such. I've yet to see a screen that comes close to as nice as a well shot, well graded file looks on a good display.

 

So your and my expectations probably differ some.

 

And it's pretty easy to apply "bulk" corrections to groups of clips that are the same camera and shot under pretty close circumstances. Takes a lot of the shotmatching work away.

 

Neil


What is rec709 vs rec709 (scene) ? Scene may have fixed my issue on new import. Old imports seem to be acting funny though.

Terms & ConditionsAccessibility statement
Using the community Terms of use Privacy Cookie preferences Do not sell or share my personal information ad choicesAdChoices