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Th3Birdman
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November 14, 2020
Question

Render times are significantly slowed by the 14.4 (and beyond) update!

  • November 14, 2020
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Title.

Apparently, this isn't a "Known Issue" to Adobe because they have released two updates without addressing this issue.

Hardware encoding for version 14.3 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than 14.4 and 14.5, upwards to literally 5x times faster. Have been trying to render a  couple videos the past couple days and the render times were out of this world slow (a 2 hour video took 5 1/2 hours to render!). I checked my task manager to find my CPU's (9900k) utilization was around 10%! Even worse, my GPU's (2080ti) utilization was at 20%.

These updates have ruined encoding times, because they severely underutilize the CPU and GPU. The solution is to downgrade from 14.5/14.4 to at least 14.3.2. 

I hope I have helped solve an issue for people like me who were wondering why the heck were rendering times so bad. Please fix this!!!

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16 replies

Inspiring
April 10, 2021

I confirm that everything above 14.3.2 is just crap. Including 15.0, 15.1 beta and 15.2 beta.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 128 GB 3200 MHz, Radeon RX590, MSI b550 Tomahawk, SDD.

 

4K, x264, 100 mbit, Software Encoding.

Above version 14.3.2:

CPU load - 5%, video card load - 3%.
Export 3 minutes time-lapse video - 40 minutes.

 

Version 14.3.2:

CPU load - 100%, video card load - 80%.
Export 3 minutes time-lapse video - 5 minutes.

Inspiring
April 10, 2021

@NikVladi  Did you do all required staff after version update, like cache clearing and reset of PP preferences?

Inspiring
April 11, 2021

Yes, I did it.

In the case of version 15.0, I even reinstalled Windows 10.

Just to check. Nothing changed.

Participant
April 8, 2021

So I have managed to make it work and actually better than it did on 14.3 with 14.9 and 15.0 following some of the suggestions from Kevin. The settings were slightly different for 14.9 from 15.0 so I will describe what worked for 15.0 for me. It will only work if I specifically have the menu option file\project settings\geneal video render and playback section set to CUDA (I believe with 14.9 I had this set to software but everything else was the same.) Then in the edit\preferences\media I have the option for H264/HEVC Decoding option completely unchecked (all 3 boxes) and the H264/HEVC Encoding option checked. With these settings now not only am I back to my normal export times but it actually boosted them from what would have taken 7-10 min before is taking 4-5 min now. I went from 20%-30% CPU usage max to 80%-100% and GPU went from a max of 15% to 40% now. This is much better. 

R Neil Haugen
Legend
March 2, 2021

This is one of those incredibly frustrating situations. I'm on a new machine, 24 core Ryzen with 128GB of RAM and a 2080Ti, with mostly internal Nvme and SSD drives for all system/programs, cache, projects, media, and export drives. And it's running fast both with PrPro and Me for encodes and pretty decent for decodes.

 

And there are others with either new or old kit getting good export times and utilizations. So clearly, on some systems and workflows, the newer versions can scream along.

 

That said, there are many who are clearly getting crappy export & utilization times & numbers with the newer versions. Far worse than with an older one.

 

It would be so good if the development team could get a good handle on this and tell us users where those differences come, and help get everyone "up to speed".

 

For EVERYONE with performance issues, the place they gather data is their UserVoice page. Every post there is read & logged by at least one engineer, and yes, I've talked with one of the guys doing so. His biggest complaint is too many posts don't have enough data. So give them your full specs: OS/CPU/RAM/GPU, types of drives involved, effects used, media used, and exports to what format/codecs. The differences between X version of PrPro and the current version.

 

Don't expect a reply, that's not a 'communication' place ... it's a data-input place. They sometimes reply, though I think most often direct rather than via comments in any posting.

 

Every post there also goes in collated form to the all-important M&E folks up well above the program teams. Those are the people who have the most say over budgets and features and such, and they work it seems totally by "metrics". The UV page is the one place we users can give them metrics.

 

Neil

 

 

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
iLuh
Known Participant
March 11, 2021
Participant
March 2, 2021

Just piling onto this: 100% as OP says. Downgraded from whatever I had installed (14.8? I hate updating Premiere for exactly this reason since it's not the first time I've seen drastic performance loss between versions) to 14.3.2 and my render speed increased 300%. I've tried multiple different test sequences and they were all processed in 1/3 of the time or less.

 

This is a brand new computer with a fresh install of Windows. It's not a drivers issue. It's not file/settings corruption. It's Premiere/Media Encoder needing another severe kick in the encoding pants.

 

For what it's worth, I'm using a 5800x and 6900 xt. I was this --> <-- close to yanking the 6900 xt and popping my 2080ti into the machine because I thought it was the Radeon that was the issue. Whether the Nvidia card is faster than the AMD card at rendering in Premiere/ME I don't know, but the issue isn't the card in this case: it's Adobe.

 

It's frustrating to see how old this post is and how many new versions have come out that don't address this issue.

Participant
February 12, 2021

You are exactly right - latest drivers, latest version of PP and ME = super slow NVENC render times. Uninstalled and reinstalled 14.3.2, renders got fast again. Sorry you had to deal with being one of the first ones to run across this and draw the ire of others on the forum blaming your hardware. Thank you for taking the arrows for those of us that ran into the same issue - you saved me A TON of time!!

Participant
February 10, 2021

Has anyone tried 14.9 yet?

Participating Frequently
February 10, 2021

J'ai essayé la version 14.9 ce matin, et le problème reste toujours le même de mon côté.
Une vidéo de 5min 4K temps de rendu : 5h

Configuration :

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor 3.50 GHz
64 RAM
NVIDIA TITAN RTX

 

Participant
January 20, 2021

Can 100% confirm this as well. i9 9900KF and RTX 2080ti

 

14.3 // 30 minute sample file renders in ~5 minutes, between 70-100% on CPU and GPU

14.4+ // Same sample file says it's take 12 minutes, actually takes 25 minutes, about 20% on CPU and 40-60% on GPU

Participant
January 21, 2021

Man I'm going from like 5 min render to like 2+ hours on the same file.

iLuh
Known Participant
January 22, 2021

If you guys find the solution please let us know. I am fed up with this issue. What I do is editing on 14.8 but rendering on Media Encoder 14.3.2, because both Premiere and Media Encoder's engine are the same, Adobe changed their engine from 14.4.

Participant
January 19, 2021

I can 100% confirm the same thing. I have talked to Adobe support but they are useless and want to try everything that every level of support has tried again causing me to do the same things that never fix anything over and over without acknowledging that the newer version of their software caused this problem. I have a 6700K, GTX 1070, and 32GB RAM. After installing 14.4 my encode times went from 10 min to 2+ hours on the exact same video. My GPU went from 20-40% usage to 1-2% usage and my CPU went from 60-80% usage to 16-20% usage. I have tried all versions from 14.4-14.8 and none of them work, I only get my render times back if I go to 14.3.2 or below. I'm A+, Network +, Security + and Cisco Certified. I work on and build computers for a living and even though video editing may be a side hobby/job, I know what I am doing and am 110% sure this is a software issue and not a driver or my PC issue. I'm seriously just excited to see someone else is having the same issue so they can't say it is just my computer because I know it is not and we are having 100% the exact same problem. FIX THIS CRAP ADOBE THIS IS RIDICULOUS! 

iLuh
Known Participant
January 17, 2021

It is still happening on 14.8 😄 also on Media Encoder and they don't fix it!

jones1351
Participating Frequently
January 14, 2021

Thank you. It helped me. I'm currently rendering a file with ver. 14.3.2. It's moving along at a good pace. The same file rendered with 14. (whatever the lates version) took 6 HOURS.

If that doesn't say the problem is with the different versions then they're not listening.

Thanks again for cutting thru the BS. Adobe needs to step up.