Since adobe Quinn quit encore I have been looking four a replacement for our DVD menu editing and building. Can someone suggest a replacement, I really need it ASAP
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I use PowerDirector from Cyberlink.
I personally use Premiere and BlackMagic Resolve for all my video editing. You say you use PowerDirector for DVD authoring? I really miss Encore and got to really dig deep with that app but now that it is gone I am at a loss! Does PowerDirector provide tools that I can create custom menus similar to Encore? I really can't see myself using or wanting to learn a new video editing suite since I have used Premiere/AE since version 1
Use whichever video editing software you wish.
I rarely if ever burn DVDs anymore. Digital downloads and streaming media have rendered them almost obsolete. Wondershare can make menus and burn DVDs & Blu-rays.
Both do author Blu-rays but DVD Architect has problems with H.264 so using MPEG2 is a must
Encore alternative http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/taw6.html
What to recommend all depends on exactly what you are needing to do - is the intended output for Blu-ray or DVD-Video?
All menu editing & creation should ideally be done in PhotoShop (this is how we do it, anyway) and authoring tools should ideally be treated as just that - assembly tools and not editors, otherwise you will (sooner or later) run into serious problems with "ghost assets" due to the abstraction layer nature of all the cheaper authoring tools.
So if you could let me know what you need to do, I will be happy to recommend.
For regular DVD, you will have to go a long, long way to beat Media Chance Labs DVD-Lab Pro 2. This does carry it's own built-in menu creation & layout tools as well as importing a layered PSD as well as separate TIF and BMP files and it really does work seriously well, with remarkably few issues as well as being seriously stable.
There is also a fully functional trial version available as well, and for straight DVD-V I cannot say enough good things about it.
Does DVD-Lab Pro2 work on a Mac?
Check with the website for that app, they will tell there.
(the other Neil ... )
No, it doesn't - but it will run on any Windows system from XP onwards, specifically Windows 7, Vista or XP (32 or 64 bit editions) but I have heard of it running on W10 as well. You could create a very small Windows partition on your mac to run this (my BD-J code writer has a Windows partition on his Mac Book to test his code as well as to actually create in Scenarist BD (which also does not run on mac OS) and this causes no issue for the Mac side of the system. If you used exFAT as the external HDD file format (or else a copy of another lifesaver of a PC tool 'Mac Drive' which allows me to read a mac HFS+ system as easily as an NTFS one and work from both) then you would be covered
Another (again, Windows only) invaluable DVD authoring tool that is absolutely invaluable is PGCEdit. This is the tool I use the most, and it gets use on literally every Video_TS authored now and it allows you to trace and rewrite (if necessary) every instruction on the authored title set as well as adding extra should it be needed and all without having to go through the hassle of recompiling.
Many thanks for your very helpful reply Neil. It's a shame there are no decent Mac solutions - which is surprising as most creative pros I know use Macs as first choice. Anyway, I'll weigh up whether to go through the learning curve of installing a Windows partition on my Mac or buying a cheap Windows laptop. I'll also have a look at PGCEdit - that sounds good.
[quote]Many thanks for your very helpful reply Neil. It's a shame there are no decent Mac solutions - which is surprising as most creative pros I know use Macs as first choice. Anyway, I'll weigh up whether to go through the learning curve of installing a Windows partition on my Mac or buying a cheap Windows laptop. I'll also have a look at PGCEdit - that sounds good.[/quote]
There is always (assuming you can find it and assuming it will run, as it has been officially dropped) DVD Studio Pro on the Mac. This was Spruce Maestro back in the early days, annd at the time a serious contender to Daikin's 'Scenarist'. One was swallowed up by Apple & became DVDSP and the other licensed out to Sonic, who were swallowed in ther turn by Rovi in a hostile takeover & shut down as fast as possible. But I am letting my prejudices show and I apologise. DVDSP worked well once you got used to it's way of doing things and if memory serves it was also full specification, alongside Scenarist - few were full spec. When DVD Lab first came along it was good, but when they went to version 2 it was superb considering it was literally a fraction of the cost of Scenarist - but Scenarist was a full toolkit, including Mastering (which is not in DVD Lab Pro and if DDP is required, a 3rd party tool would be needed), as was DVDSP and the benefit of having this built right in cannot be overstated.
PGCEdit is a true 'swiss army knife' problem solving tool. It's not an authoring tool (even though you can effectively re-author a disc once ripped to it's original file structure as compiled by adding, removing or editing any of the command system (menu buttons) or the hidden functionality under the hood to say anything you choose) but a fault-fixing one, and because it sees what is truly there, rather than what the authoring tool says it is doing - there may always be a bug in the code that was never fixed as these are all considered to be obsolette, with the sole exception of Scenarist SD and BD these days, both of which are not only fully supported but in active development as well as bugfixes.
I use VEGAS DVD Architect for $99. It's okay, gets the job done, but I really miss Encore's more intuitive/more polished interface and its tight integration with Photoshop for designing custom menus.
Adobe should make an update to Encore to create 4K Blu-ray discs. I would welcome that. Blu-ray disks are still needed from time to time. I want to be able create 4K Blu-ray disks for clients.
Encore is dead because of third party legal issues and will never be revived.
Which is not strictly speaking correct.
At the time it was dropped, the previous owners of the Sonic AuthorCore had indeed discontinued not only the Encore AuthorCore (originally in Sonic's 'DVD Producer' tool) but also Scenarist SD & Scenarist BD whilst claiming they had done this because "nobody is making discs any more".
Since then, the situation has changed massively and Adobe could almost certainly - if they wanted to (and this is, I believe, the key point to remember) - redo a deal, as not only has there been a buyback of all the rights and a new company called Scenarist LLC been formed but the SD and BD systems are not only fully supported again but also in active development again!!!
This means that Scenarist LLC would almost certainly be open to relicensing the Encore AuthorCore back to Adobe - from their perspective income is income, and I would wager that Adobe have not even tried to talk to the new company. It iis now being run by the people who used to work for Sonic so they know their stuff and I can attest to the fact that Scenarist SD is under active development again, as well as Scenarist BD.
One more problem does still exist. In order to be legally allowed to sell Blu-ray as Blu-ray and to use any Blu-ray trademarks or logos requires the discs to be factory replicas - it is not allowed to create a BD-R and sell it as Blu-ray because Sony (who own the name, trademarks & specifications) consider all BD-R to be 'non compliant' and selling BD-R as 'Blu-ray' is liable to get you not only a 'cease & desist' order if Sony find out about it, but a stock destruction order if the wording 'Blu-ray' or 'Blu-ray disc' or 4K Blu-ray' or if any of the official logos are used in packaging, advertising or on the actual discs themselves is used.
So the current situation is entirely of Adobe's conscious decisions to drop optical disc support altogether - that is unless they have tried to re-license in the last 2 years and been turned down.
I suspect that they have never even bothered to try.
What we suspect is worth about zilch. Still, we will all have our suspicions and thoughts, won't we?
The upper Adobe managers live and decide by metrics. One thing many app users don't realize is about half of Adobe are the apps we users work with ... Photoshop through Illustrator, the video apps, that group. The other half of Adobe is software for large organizations to do management and collaboration based on formative design principles followed up by aggressive, market-segmented AI and real-world integration of user experiences and causalities.
And if you can parse phrases like that, you too could be an upper Adobe manager!
For that crowd, if they see metrics telling them something, they jump at it. If not, they don't. They produce metrics by the Imperial ton somewhere, somehow ... and they don't share with us "normal" folk.
And looking at my preceding post, I think I've spent too much time asking Adobe upper managers about things at NAB and MAX ... sigh. And reading the explanatory posts they tell me to go look at ...
I like Encore but if there are to many licensing issues Adobe could create a new software program that works a lot like Encore. I would like to be able create 4K Blu-ray discs for clients.
Their upper managers don't see the metrics indicating a 'need'. A lot of us disagree, but then ... most of the editors and colorists I know say they don't even have any optical drives on their massive rigs anymore.
A lot of us disagree,
Who is us? there is still a demand for dvd dont underestimate that.
I would like to make 4K bluray unfortunately there is but one consumer level 4K UDH authoring software but its not compatible with Premieres output files and it does not make menus. So end of story.
You should know that I would love if they had a B-R/DVD authoring program. I've certainly said so around here a lot!. Which is why I said a lot of us disagree with the management.
Ahhhhh took ik the wrong way....
Maybe it would cost to much money to create something as complex as Encore but we need a DVD/4K Blu-ray authoring solution. DVD and Blu-ray authoring gets mentioned in the FCPX forums, Edius forums, Premiere Pro forums, Avid forums etc. There has to be money to be made from an inexpensive DVD/Blu-ray solution. I say bundle it with Premiere Pro but make FCPX, Edius and Avid users pay for it.
@Andy (and everyone)
The myth that it would cost too much to develop is utter nonsense.
As I keep saying, the original AuthorCore is almost certainly up for licensing again now that Scenarist LLC own their tools again, having bought back after the disastrous corporate sellout from Sonic Solutions to Rovi, who IMO had only bought Sonic in order to close them down as Rovi's main market is streaming on Demand (or the SOD model as I like to call it).
The biggest problem for starting from scratch as a developer is the cost of being a licensed developer, and without being a licensed developer you cannot create BDCMF replication masters and you cannot sell BD-R in any form as Blu-ray, because according to Sony (who own the format) it is non compliant product.
So the answer is to license an authorcore, just as Adobe did with Encore.
I hear the comments about the insane metrics and agree completely that anybody who bases serious decisions based on what an algorithm tells them should be decreed clinically insane, as no algorithm is better than the assumptions used & the programmers who wrote it. And all too often these things are done specifically to output a desired answer as opposed to what is reality.
The whole world has gone mad
How do I actually get quotes these days? Call me a dumb newbie, but I cannot see how to do it when it used to be right there in plain sight. sighs. It's a hard life, being a luddite these days.
Which seamlessly branching off there back on thread, but I am sorry to say to Ann above that in all seriousness, going to 4K Blu-ray would be an utter waste of development money as the physical 'Ultra HD Blu-ray' media is falling flat almost as quickly as Blu-ray 3D did (guys, the clue there was always the glasses - any media that uses trick glasses is not going to do well commercially), Ultra HD (aka 4K) - anyone who has not already gone down that path probably won't bother and as the accountants will tell you any production you put out on 4K also requires a separate, independent one at 'regular' 1080p True HD - remember this? The one the studios touted as 'the bestest evah', and the self-same format that is exponentially more expensive to produce than DVD ever was even at it's most pretentious easter-egg laden worst all the way back to late last century. Sorry peeps, I am in whimsical mood here but please bear wiith me - there is a point, and I will (eventually) get to it.
Now where was I? Oh yes - the delicious irony of DVD still refusing to go away mainly because the Blu-ray market has not grown in the same manner that DVD did and I cannot but help wonder if this is yet another cost cutting exercise forced onto programme & content makers for economic reasons when cutting down the quality of your filming would seem to be at cross-purposes with what you are doing! Nonetheless, after accountants up & down the industry had got rid of all the wonderful 35 & 70mm cameras, the editing machines, their maintenance & the skill needed to keep them working in favour of shooting 'directly to NTSC Digital' so there is a whole period of probably close to 20 years where all that exists now are NTSC Video files, probably stored as mp4 (which is indeed, sad to say, lossy).
DVD costs a fraction of what it costs on Blu-ray, and you can double that again if you want a 4k version.
You can start with a 1920x1080/24fps HD mastered video file nowadays and drop that to DVD whilst keeping the progressive flags. Any modern upscaling player will have no difficulty outputting such a DVD and it can look great - a trick Hollywood has known for decades now.
Adobe really should get back to Encore - I wager they still have not even approached Scenarist LLC about re-licensing the old Authorcore, which is full spec if anybody coded it ON in the GUI.
It's not HD or Blu-ray, but at the factory costs for Blu you are probably better off on Vimeo or similar, creating your own MP4 for that, and selling DVD done as well as you can make them at pennies a copy.