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May 2, 2020
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Same old Dropped Frames / Slow Performance question on a high spec machine.

  • May 2, 2020
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So yeah this again.

 

I'm running an 8th Gen 8-Core / 16 thread Ryzen

GTX 1050Ti 4gb

32GB Ram

NVMe SSd 3000MB/s

Clean Windows install 

Premiere Pro 2020 14.1

 

tried all the usual tricks - rendering, now even using proxies.  doesn't matter what i do, THOUSANDS of dropped frames and naturally an impossible workflow.

 

Can anyone shed any light before i through this all in the trash?

 

None of my resources hitting more than 30% on playback 

Thanks as always!

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Legend
May 4, 2020

Don't throw away anything just yet. I would definitely be inclined that your GPU is largely to blame. You see, that GeForce GTX 1050 Ti itself is severely mismatched to any modern 8-core/16-thread CPU to begin with. In fact, it is so mismatched to the CPU that it actually chokes the life out of everything else that runs on that system. This condition is called a bottleneck, where one underperformance component drags down the performance of everything else in that PC. Simply put, that CPU/GPU combo is like driving a European sports sedan with all four of its tyres half-deflated. That 1050 Ti would have been a good match to only a 4-core/4-thread CPU.

 

As a matter of fact, moving up to a higher-end GPU of the exact same generation will not improve matters sufficiently to justify the price that you would be paying for such a same-generation GPU upgrade because all of Nvidia's GPUs up to and including Pascal (the GeForce 10 series) are weaklings by current standards. You will actually need a newer-generation GeForce GPU than that 1050 Ti in order to bring your system's overall performance up to par.

 

Unfortunately, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place if your total upgrade budget is limited: The properly matched (performance-wise) GPU for a 3rd-Generation 8-core/16-thread Ryzen would have cost you more than $500 by itself. (I am talking about the GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, in this case.) However, for 2020 and later versions of Premiere Pro, even a $150-ish GTX 1650 SUPER would outperform even a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (if the scores from the PugetBench for Premiere Pro 0.9 are to be believed).

 

All in all, this is a perfect example of poor component budgeting, especially by someone who believes that video editing programs even today make little if any use whatsoever of the GPU. For the budget whomever configured it spent so much money on a powerful CPU that it left little if any budget remaining for the rest of the core components of that system. In fact, for that total budget that you had spent on this imbalanced build I would have instead picked a 6-core CPU instead of an 8-core CPU but chosen a non-SUPER RTX 2060 instead of that now-outdated GTX 1050 Ti.

 

And I had known the posts by the late Harm Millaard (who had passed away four years ago) about component balance. Especially in a video editing system, all of the major core components should closely match one another in terms of relative performance. This build, however, is a very classic example of how not to configure a video editing build.

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volatileAuthor
Participating Frequently
May 10, 2020

one other thing i've noticed about this reply.

 

If we agree that Premiere isn't really using the GPU, how is it bottlenecking there?  or that a silly question?

Legend
May 10, 2020

A severe imbalance between the CPU and the GPU can, and will, bottleneck even simple programs, not just graphics or Adobe. You might find that your office productivity programs such as word processing runs noticeably slower than a much cheaper, weaker and/or much older system with a proper performance-balanced GPU. In fact, a severely underpowered GPU relative to the CPU will downgrade everything in performance back at least five CPU generations, if not more. With this bottleneck, you will find that CPU utilization under even heavily CPU-intensive programs gets artificially capped to far below 100% even if it normally takes the CPU utilization to near-100% with a better GPU and the same CPU.

 

And if neither the CPU nor the GPU hits much above 30%, then it is likely that the GPU is used as much as the particular rendering in Adobe permits it to. Your system's CPU usage, on the other hand, should reach significantly higher than 30% under the same conditions in order to deliver a good performance.

 

If you're resizing video, if even a minor resizing (which is one of the tasks that Adobe significantly uses the GPU) from, say, 1092x1080p60 to 1280x720p60, pegs the GPU to near 100%, then yes, that particular GPU is seriously underpowered for a given CPU.

 

So yes, it would regress the overall performance of a 9th-Generation Intel CPU-based platform all the way back to the 2nd-Generation days.

Community Expert
May 4, 2020

What kind of media are you working with? What are the specs of it? (resolution, framerate, codec, where is it from?)

What kind of proxies did you create? In most situations that should help your playback a lot assuming it's an intermediate codec at low bitrate.

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volatileAuthor
Participating Frequently
May 9, 2020

genuinely a mixture.  some 4k footage but even 1080 struggles at time - 30/60fps taken from sony and panasonic dslrs in mp4. mostly.

 

the proxies i chose a middle of the road setting.H264 Medium Res