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wayned11197107
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July 4, 2019
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Scanning old photos for Cinema Release

  • July 4, 2019
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Hello all,

I am in the process of putting together a documentary for cinema release. I am going to be scanning old images and wanted to know what setting ie DPI etc I shoudl be using for optimal results on the big screen...

I may be over thinking this but want to make sure...

thanks

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Legend
July 6, 2019

Wayne, if the photo is that size you can scale it (keyframed ) from your 4k timeline to zoom in 2X without losing quality ( start with it scaled down to fit and then scale up to twice the size,,,)

But I am confused about how you are gonna deal with the 1080p stuff,.. cause you can't use that in a 4k timeline ...cause it would look ugly scaled up like that...

Legend
July 5, 2019

Jim, you're right and I didn't really get it when you first said that..  but if you have a really small photo ( like 3x2 inches ) and you want to be able to print it at 300 on paper, you can ( as you suggested ) scan it at 600 , which will double the size of print dimension at 300.

Same goes for having options with video … like mostly I'll scan for print and then save as ( cause of habit ) 72ppi for video.. but the higher scan of original gives me WAY more options re: the dimensions of the image size.

Also, in a pinch, if I have a large dimension image at 72ppi I can change it to 300ppi for print (now synonymous with dpi ) for a smaller print size on paper... but at least be able to get a print out of it...

Some photo printers like that little SELPHY thing ( 4x6 ) do a great job of converting stuff for prints now too.

wayned11197107
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July 6, 2019

Thanks for all of your help...amazing...

So my project is 4K 3840 x 2160...Would I literally just double the amount 7680x4320?

Conrad_C
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July 6, 2019

wayned11197107  wrote

So my project is 4K 3840 x 2160...Would I literally just double the amount 7680x4320?

It depends on how good your scanner is. More specifically, its maximum hardware scanning resolution.

In principle, if your project is 4K 3840 x 2160 and you want to be able to scale up images by 200% in the timeline, then sure, ideally 7680 x 4320 is what you want. But…

A lot of scanner sensors don't go up that high. For example, suppose you have a scanner with resolution of 6000 x 4000 pixels in the hardware. And the software lets you save a file much higher than that, let's say 9000 x 6000. You will be tempted to say “Oh, it can output 9000 x 6000 so I’ll just ask it for 7680 x 4320, no problem.”

The catch is, if the hardware resolution of the scanner is 6000 x 4000, then the way the scanning software saves a file with more pixels than that is to interpolate — it will “make up” the extra pixels. This will probably only bloat the file size without adding meaningful data. If your scanner’s hardware resolution falls short of what you want, you would be better off scanning at the hardware’s max resolution and letting Premiere scale it, or if you want the absolute best enlargement to 7680 x 4320, do it in Photoshop using one of its higher-quality Image Size resampling options (or use a very high quality resizer like Topaz Gigapixel AI).

But if these photos are going to be in constant motion on the timeline (panned and zoomed), small details will get blurred anyway, in that case it’s probably not worth an extra upscaling step beyond the scanner’s maximum hardware resolution.

To summarize, I would recommend setting the scanning software to save your files at 7680 x 4320 or the scanner’s maximum hardware resolution, whichever is lower.

P.S. Of course, I never mentioned DPI (or more accurately, PPI) in this post since there was no need to. Sure, PPI will come into play when you scan, but the correct PPI will always be: Whatever scanning PPI that results in 7680 x 4320 given the different physical sizes of each original photo. For example, if a photo print is 6 inches across and you need a scan of it to be 7320 pixels wide, it needs to be scanned at 1280 ppi (7320/6). But if you need to scan a 35mm slide frame for 7320 pixels wide, that little frame is only 1.42 inches wide, so it must be scanned at 5408 ppi. If you are using well-designed scanning software, you won’t need to know all that or do any math. You should be able to just tell it the final pixel dimensions you want, without referring to inches or PPI/DPI, and well-designed scanning software should be able to do the math for the resolution it should use to scan the given original size, to achieve the 7680 x 4320 pixels that you ask for.

Legend
July 5, 2019

I always used 300 for my photo scans at HD.  Gives me enough detail to work with.

600 for a 4K release might not be a bad idea.

Ann Bens
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July 4, 2019

DPI means nothing in video. DPI is for printing. All that counts is the height and width.

If you are not planning on any scaling them make them the same size as your sequence.

For scaling twice the size.

wayned11197107
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July 5, 2019

Fantastic thanks. would it be recommedned to scan every photo at twice the size for flexibility when editing (say at 600dpi)?

John T Smith
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July 5, 2019

You are still talking dpi... Ann is talking screen size, such as 1920x1080 or 1280x720