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Selected luts not applied to Media encoder

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December 30, 2022
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I have added a LUT to the drop down menu of Lumetri basic. You can select this and the lut is applied. If you quick export within Premiere the LUT is applied to the export. If however you send the export to Media encoder, the export does not apply the LUT. Can't imagine why this happens. If I apply the LUT from an external source rather than the drop down menu the LUT is applied when exporting via Media Encoder.

PP 23 and latest version of Media Encoder.

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Correct answer R Neil Haugen

Do NOT put LUTs in the program's internal LUT folders ... that's not only not recommended, it will lead to really screwy behavior.

There are the two user-added LUT storage locations ... they do publish that in the help documentation. Not that it's a fantastic help file, this is there.

The Program{package} files/Adobe/Common/LUTs folder is the easiest for me. With subfolders I created as above.

After adding any LUTs to the subfolders, you have to relaunch Premiere, or any other of the three apps Ae, Me, or Pr. They only scan those folders for contents on program launch.

And if they are not seeing them on re-launch, it's normally 1) the LUT type isn't usable, like many Resolve created LUTs; 2) there's a name issue or some other file header issue; 3) nearly all other problems are a folder permissions issue between the OS and Premiere.

Some LUTs can be made usable if you know how to open them in a text editor, and simply remove some extra unneeded verbiage in the file header. There's one line typically added by Resolve that gunks Premiere, but I can't remember which it is at the moment.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

If you put them in with the program's own LUTs, then ... you must have the identical LUTs in every program.

Because they do not use LUTs from their internal folders by LUT name, but by the relative positions of the LUTs in the folders in a computerese alphanumeric sort process.

Ergo ... fifth LUT down, not Albany_Blue ...

Whereas, if you correctly place them in folders that Premiere, AfterEffects, and MediaEncoder are all designed to look ... then they work across all apps.

I can access and get applied the many LUTs I've created by all three apps. Across version series, since prior to 2019 versions, from the one set of folders.

You can't do that in your process. You will have to ensure that every folder has precisely the same number and name of LUTs in them across all apps. A ton of work there.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

M

McKian

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Ah, I'll check that out. Weird that it works that way. It really is a failure on Adobe's part to not have the LUT's in there already.

M

McKian

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I'm not apologizing for Adobe, and I don't give a hoot for corporations. I work in both Premiere and Resolve on a daily basis, and am used to pro video post apps. All of which have their intriguing design difference. Adobe and BM are quite capable of looking after themselves.

And I fully realize that though I have opinions, and experience, they are mine and no one else's. As ... we are all different.

You seem to think that because you don't like it, and want it different, it's broken. But to me, that's a personal point of view, as are mine. And you are most welcome to it! We're all different, and all have different views.

But don't expect one other human to ever fully agree with your viewpoint. I certainly don't expect that. The Adobe staffers know my viewpoints, which oft do not coincide with theirs. Which is fine. I'm only one person, as are you.

But you see, I've heard people say the exact same thing about Ae being layers ... that's a broken design. Or nodes ... such as Resolve and Fusion ... being a broken design. And insist that by "broken" they mean it should not ever be that type of design.

There is no reason whatever that Adobe, BlackMagic, or Filmlight uses your suggestion. It clearly is a design thing, a choice that can be made. Having the outside location for user's personal stuff, is to me a very valid choice, as they do not want users mucking around the Program files folder for the app. I don't know of another app that does, off hand.

That it isn't obivious ... yea, that's quite an accurate assessment. That they've got stuff put in several locations rather than one, that's an accurate thing. And a problem for most users.

I wouldn't still say broken ... but a design choice I disagree with.

Nah. You can give some grace to technology being complicated but when you have an easy fix error that causes confusion that is a design failure. Read the post from the original person. They applied a LUT within Premiere and it didn't transfer to ME.

It's not complicated. It's not a different viewpoint. It's not a design choice. It's not a suggestion. It's a failure to create a program that works reliably.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Because you added the LUT to the ones included with the app. Users should never, ever! add LUTs to the Premiere, AfterEffects, or MediaEncoder internal folders!

Because you then get exactly what you just got.

There are two different paths users can use to add LUTs in such a way that you add them once, and all three apps access them. Search the help for user LUT locations.

I prefer the location:

Program [Package on Macs] files/Adobe/Common/LUTs ...

... and then use the appropriate subfolders so they show on the drop-down list where you expect to use them. You may need to create these subfolders before adding the LUTs.

Input (for Interpret Footage color management Input LUT slot)
Technical (for Lumetri Basic tab Input LUT slot)
Creative (for Creative tab Look input LUT slot)

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

M

McKian

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This is frustrating to me because this entry pops up in google as the first solution for this issue and it doesn't feel like it actually solves the issue for me. I'm not sure how to get Media encoder to link up to the same LUT's now that I've moved them to the Common Folder.

For me I just moved the luts to the internal folder of Media Encoder and restarted my computer and it started working again. It's not ideal since I have to do it every time Adobe updates their software but there doesn't appear to be a better solution coming from Adobe.

R Neil HaugenCorrect answer

Legend

Do NOT put LUTs in the program's internal LUT folders ... that's not only not recommended, it will lead to really screwy behavior.

There are the two user-added LUT storage locations ... they do publish that in the help documentation. Not that it's a fantastic help file, this is there.

The Program{package} files/Adobe/Common/LUTs folder is the easiest for me. With subfolders I created as above.

After adding any LUTs to the subfolders, you have to relaunch Premiere, or any other of the three apps Ae, Me, or Pr. They only scan those folders for contents on program launch.

And if they are not seeing them on re-launch, it's normally 1) the LUT type isn't usable, like many Resolve created LUTs; 2) there's a name issue or some other file header issue; 3) nearly all other problems are a folder permissions issue between the OS and Premiere.

Some LUTs can be made usable if you know how to open them in a text editor, and simply remove some extra unneeded verbiage in the file header. There's one line typically added by Resolve that gunks Premiere, but I can't remember which it is at the moment.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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