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August 3, 2016
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Setting constant frame rate in Filmic Pro

  • August 3, 2016
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Hi,

I don't see an option for constant frame rate.

1. How do I set it to constant?

2. Is it automatically constant or variable in the newest version of the app?

3. And/or the real question: what's the quick fix for sending video from my iphone 6 to Premiere Pro so that the audio and video remain synced?

I've been through these forums and there are lots of answers, but none that have solved my problem, yet. Here's what I've done.

I got the latest version of Filmic Pro. I shot video with Filmic pro, exported it to my iphone camera and then my computer via "image capture." When I imported into Premiere Pro, the audio/video were out of sync, which was the whole reason I got the app in the first place.

Looking through these forums, a recurring theme is the constant/variable frame rate.

(The one time I tried converting to constant with Handbrake, it made a huge file and it was pretty much unusable because it stopped and started once I imported to Premiere, besides which it changed the frame size and there was no way to set the presets to 16:9)

So now I'm seeing a post that says I have to set the frame rate to constant on Filmic Pro, but I can't find an option to do that.

If you can solve this problem I will love you forever.

Thanks in advance,

Lucas

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解決に役立った回答 PresidentJade

Hi Lucas:

Allow me to chip in here as a Filmic Pro user who has experienced the same issue with out of sync audio once imported into Adobe Premiere. For your information, I am using an iPhone 6 and Premiere CS6.

Now, it is my understanding that all video from an iPhone is a variable frame rate. Therefore, since Filmic Pro is an iPhone app, there is no way to set it to a constant frame rate. Generally speaking, when you buy an actual camera and record in 24 fps or 30 fps, that is exactly what you are getting and that is exactly what Premiere Pro will see. On the other hand, with iPhone video footage, 24 fps is actually 24.02 and 30 fps is 30.02, and so on and so forth. This is where Premiere Pro has a hard time keeping things in sync.

Do note that most folks have no audio sync issues with Filmic Pro footage when using Final Cut Pro as their editing program. It seems like Premiere Pro simply does not like variable frame rates, never has and probably never will. Therefore, a solution for you could be to use Final Cut Pro instead of Adobe Premiere.

On a side note, do know that when you save your Filmic Pro footage to the camera roll of your iPhone it gets slightly compressed. The best practice to avoid any compression right from the get go is to plug your iPhone into your computer, go to iTunes and select your device, select ''apps'' and scroll down to the Filmic Pro app where you can then select your videos and save them to your computer without any compression. This is just a side note though, and obviously, you are free to continue importing your footage as you have been doing if you do not mind a little bit of compression from the get go.

Now, for the big question! How to turn the footage from Filmic Pro into a constant frame rate so that it is usable and not out of sync in Premiere Pro? The answer is Handbrake.

I know that you mentioned trying Handbrake only once, getting a huge file and that it was the wrong resolution to boot. Personally, I think the problem is that you gave up too soon and didn't bother to learn how to use Handbrake properly.

Using Handbrake:

1. You should import your file, or files, or folder containing the files.
2. In the column on the very right, under the heading ''regular'', you can select ''High Profile'' if you desire an H.264 codec level of 4.1 as opposed to the default H.264 codec level of 4.0. And very important, do not select a preset under 'Devices'. For example, if you select 'iphone & iPod touch', you will notice under the 'Picture' tab that the width of your video changes from 1920 to 960. That is probably how you ended up with a video that was not 16:9.

3. In the 'Picture' tab, there is nothing to change, leave it as is. Unless you want to crop your video or reduce the resolution of your video (i.e. from 1920 x 1080 to 1280 x 1080). But as I say, there is nothing to change here since those are things you would be doing in Premiere Pro anyways (cropping, exporting in lower resolution, etc.)

4. Generally, there is nothing to be changed under the 'Audio', 'Subtitles' or 'Chapters' tabs. Leave those as is.

5. The 'Video' tab is where you will want to be making changes, but only in one or two areas. A) You will want to select 'Constant Framerate' instead of 'Variable Framerate'. And B) If you want, you can play around with the 'Constant Quality' under the 'Quality' heading. Generally, you can leave this untouched at the default setting of Constant Quality: 20. There is no point in Constant Quality: 0 (Placebo Quality) as it will just increase your file size beyond belief without necessarily improving your video quality. My general recommendation is anything between 20 and 10 for Constant Quality. And, with this, you should actually end up with a video size that is a bit smaller than the original without actually losing any quality.

For example, my original 1920 x 1080 Filmic Pro video was 370MB. Once I ran it through Handbrake at Constant Quality: 20, it was 80MB. And, once I ran it through Handbrake at Constant Quality: 10, it was 114MB.

Also, the resolution stayed the same (i.e. 1920 x 1080 or 16:9) because I didn't make any changes under the 'Picture Tab' (size or cropping) and I didnt select a preset in the column on the right-hand side. Again, just leave things as they are. Handbrake will keep the same resolution as your source video unless you start selecting presets and changing sizes and stuff. Again, all you really have to do it select your file, change it from Variable to Constant under the 'Video' tab and export it (start button).

Now, a few notes: It seems like the audio sync issue is more severe or more prevalent when shooting longer video vs shorter video (i.e. 10 minutes vs. a 1 minute). Also, it seems more prevalent when shooting in 24fps as opposed to 30fps.

Hopefully, you can give Handbrake a proper try and have some success with your video editing of Filmic Pro footage in Premiere Pro. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers and best of luck.:)

Jade.

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Participating Frequently
August 12, 2016

Hi Lucas:

Allow me to chip in here as a Filmic Pro user who has experienced the same issue with out of sync audio once imported into Adobe Premiere. For your information, I am using an iPhone 6 and Premiere CS6.

Now, it is my understanding that all video from an iPhone is a variable frame rate. Therefore, since Filmic Pro is an iPhone app, there is no way to set it to a constant frame rate. Generally speaking, when you buy an actual camera and record in 24 fps or 30 fps, that is exactly what you are getting and that is exactly what Premiere Pro will see. On the other hand, with iPhone video footage, 24 fps is actually 24.02 and 30 fps is 30.02, and so on and so forth. This is where Premiere Pro has a hard time keeping things in sync.

Do note that most folks have no audio sync issues with Filmic Pro footage when using Final Cut Pro as their editing program. It seems like Premiere Pro simply does not like variable frame rates, never has and probably never will. Therefore, a solution for you could be to use Final Cut Pro instead of Adobe Premiere.

On a side note, do know that when you save your Filmic Pro footage to the camera roll of your iPhone it gets slightly compressed. The best practice to avoid any compression right from the get go is to plug your iPhone into your computer, go to iTunes and select your device, select ''apps'' and scroll down to the Filmic Pro app where you can then select your videos and save them to your computer without any compression. This is just a side note though, and obviously, you are free to continue importing your footage as you have been doing if you do not mind a little bit of compression from the get go.

Now, for the big question! How to turn the footage from Filmic Pro into a constant frame rate so that it is usable and not out of sync in Premiere Pro? The answer is Handbrake.

I know that you mentioned trying Handbrake only once, getting a huge file and that it was the wrong resolution to boot. Personally, I think the problem is that you gave up too soon and didn't bother to learn how to use Handbrake properly.

Using Handbrake:

1. You should import your file, or files, or folder containing the files.
2. In the column on the very right, under the heading ''regular'', you can select ''High Profile'' if you desire an H.264 codec level of 4.1 as opposed to the default H.264 codec level of 4.0. And very important, do not select a preset under 'Devices'. For example, if you select 'iphone & iPod touch', you will notice under the 'Picture' tab that the width of your video changes from 1920 to 960. That is probably how you ended up with a video that was not 16:9.

3. In the 'Picture' tab, there is nothing to change, leave it as is. Unless you want to crop your video or reduce the resolution of your video (i.e. from 1920 x 1080 to 1280 x 1080). But as I say, there is nothing to change here since those are things you would be doing in Premiere Pro anyways (cropping, exporting in lower resolution, etc.)

4. Generally, there is nothing to be changed under the 'Audio', 'Subtitles' or 'Chapters' tabs. Leave those as is.

5. The 'Video' tab is where you will want to be making changes, but only in one or two areas. A) You will want to select 'Constant Framerate' instead of 'Variable Framerate'. And B) If you want, you can play around with the 'Constant Quality' under the 'Quality' heading. Generally, you can leave this untouched at the default setting of Constant Quality: 20. There is no point in Constant Quality: 0 (Placebo Quality) as it will just increase your file size beyond belief without necessarily improving your video quality. My general recommendation is anything between 20 and 10 for Constant Quality. And, with this, you should actually end up with a video size that is a bit smaller than the original without actually losing any quality.

For example, my original 1920 x 1080 Filmic Pro video was 370MB. Once I ran it through Handbrake at Constant Quality: 20, it was 80MB. And, once I ran it through Handbrake at Constant Quality: 10, it was 114MB.

Also, the resolution stayed the same (i.e. 1920 x 1080 or 16:9) because I didn't make any changes under the 'Picture Tab' (size or cropping) and I didnt select a preset in the column on the right-hand side. Again, just leave things as they are. Handbrake will keep the same resolution as your source video unless you start selecting presets and changing sizes and stuff. Again, all you really have to do it select your file, change it from Variable to Constant under the 'Video' tab and export it (start button).

Now, a few notes: It seems like the audio sync issue is more severe or more prevalent when shooting longer video vs shorter video (i.e. 10 minutes vs. a 1 minute). Also, it seems more prevalent when shooting in 24fps as opposed to 30fps.

Hopefully, you can give Handbrake a proper try and have some success with your video editing of Filmic Pro footage in Premiere Pro. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers and best of luck.:)

Jade.

Participant
August 13, 2016

excellent answer Jade. I'll give Handbrake another try. Is it possible that I have an old version of Handbrake? Maybe I'll try updating it.

Thanks for the thoroughness.

Participant
August 13, 2016

Also, I still have Final Cut Pro 7 so that's good to know.

Inspiring
August 3, 2016

In the latest versions of Filmic, they appear to have removed the menu option that specifically was for Constant Frame Rate.

However, if you use standard frame rates, they do indicate that audio sync will be maintained (the frame rate will be constant):

MtD

Participant
August 3, 2016

thanks, I changed the frame rate to a more standard one (30 FPS), maybe that will help.

Also, on Filmic Pro's Forum, which I checked thanks to John T Smith (above), they mentioned something about their latest version not supporting iphone 5s and 6. I couldn't understand the language exactly, but it had to do with lower resolutions from the older phones competing with higher resolution settings on filmic pro and making it impossible to get a good sync with the older phones (apparently 6s works fine). Their customers often shoot with separate sound, so it's not a big deal to them.

Thanks for all your responses. I'll keep tooling around and post if I find an obvious solution for users like me who aren't ready to invest in a camera but are still shooting a lot.

For future readers, please stop suggesting Handbrake, it didn't work for me. I've tried it multiple times.

Best,

Lucas

Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 3, 2016

Hi Lucas,

I'm a Filmic Pro user and use an iPhone 6s Plus. It works great and I don't have any trouble with audio sync for standard shooting. However, if you push to the higher bit rates with a high frame rate and a long duration (like over 10 min.) and at 4K, you can still get sync issues.

Therefore, if you are shooting events and need a reliable way to capture a speech lasting more than 10 min. in 4K, it's not a good choice, you'll need a prosumer camcorder at a minimum rather than a mobile phone.

I shoot in short bursts, so it works great. Skeptics on the thread may want to do some tests, as a decent phone can shoot B cam footage quite nicely.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
Legend
August 3, 2016

You're mixing a consumer tool with a professional tool.

You may have an easier time if you used a professional camera, or a consumer editor.

John T Smith
Community Expert
Community Expert
August 3, 2016

First, you need to ask questions about that program at a forum for that vendor Mobile HD Video Camera for iPhone, iPad | App of the Year

Second, use https://handbrake.fr/ open source transcoder/converter to convert

Participant
August 3, 2016

Okay,

Thanks for the response. I'll look through that other forum.

As for Handbrake: as mentioned, it did not solve my problem, but I appreciate the response.

Participant
May 26, 2017

I pulled my hair out for hours over this.. I thought it was cause i shot it in 2k.. then maybe cause i transferred it wrong.. It was the first time i had shot in Filmic Pro and i chose 24 fps ... I didnt pay any attention to the asterisk   that clearly told me it would be variable and not constant...

So i used Handbrake.. and hastily went through and re-encoded the first of 5 takes. Much like you, it didnt work right. So, i researched and found that there were very important settings i was missing.. Got myself a copy of mediainfo, checked the original clip stats and then went back to Handbrake and went through the settings a tad more careful.. You have probably already fixed your issue, but i thought i would post the things that really helped for me.

*Fast 1080P 30 Preset

* Under the Video tab choose "Constant Frame rate and 30"

* in MediaInfo find your avg bitrate and convert it to kbps and manually enter it in

* encoder tune - Film

*Encoder preset - Slow as you can stand.. quality will be better. I chose Placebo (noticeable difference)

*Audio Tab - Change your bitrate to the bitrate shown in MediaInfo.

* I prefer MP4 for output 1920X1080

Hit start encode and when its done.. it should work perfectly in Premiere.

Good luck