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SilliusMillius53
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April 14, 2017
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Speed Grade no recognising media

  • April 14, 2017
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Good Day,

I shoot with Panasonic DVX200 cameras and shoot UHD at 60fps on a 60Hz time base.  For some strange reason, when I try and import the clips into Speedgrade (To match them before editing), the program doesn't see them, unless I tell it to look at all files. The clips then appear in the media box, but the program doesn't see them and I cannot drag them onto a timeline.

I can import the same clips into Premiere Pro easily and they work fine.

Am I being stupid? (Strong Possibility) or...

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    Correct answer R Neil Haugen

    Sg can "see" a number of the major cine-type formats/codecs, such as ARRI and so on, but doesn't work with mp4 'natively', so the mov option is actually better out of the camera if you're going directly into Sg.

    If I were to transcode, I'd use probably the Cineform 10-bit YUV out of AME to prep an mp4 file for Sg. Would of course also edit easier, as the long-GOP format of the mp4 file plays holy heck with the CPU especially in large-k frame-sizes.

    There's also fellow Sg user, Patrick Zadrobilek's "PrProBCC" app ... which is available from his Ntown Productions website for a few euros. You start with a PrPro prproj project file, drop it onto his app which increments & auto-saves, while changing one character in the file header so Sg can still work with that file in "Direct Link" mode. After finishing in Sg, you drop the file onto the PrProBCC app again, and it auto-"upverts" the file back to PrPro 2017 status to continue working in PrPro.

    Codecs then are of course, pretty much anything PrPro can use. One caveat ... AfterEffects comps don't work, you'd need to render/replace with full-res media out of AE onto the PrPro timeline first.

    Neil

    Here's a recent thread on Patrick's app ...

    Update: My little Speedgrade/Premiere Project Converter still works with 2017

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    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    April 14, 2017

    In "native" mode SpeedGrade has a limited set of codecs it works with, nowhere near what PrPro now recognizes. When Adobe bought Iridas a number of years back, and turned it into SpeedGrade, they were planning to build it's use around the Direct Link out of PrPro, and so felt no need to add codecs past what that app had when they bought it.

    Which means, as a stand-alone app, it has a limited set of codecs it both can recognize and then export out to.

    One of the reasons I was so disappointed when they "de-coupled" Sg from PrPro a year back.

    Which codec are you working with that camera?

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    SilliusMillius53Author
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    April 14, 2017

    Well for my use, I shoot *.mp4 files, I can also shoot *.mov, but I find

    *.mp4 better for PC work.

    Paul Mills

    Professional Video Services - Johannesburg

    +27(0)82 850 9810

    www.paulmillsmedia.com

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    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    April 15, 2017

    Thank you, this has been very informative. Usually the only time I use

    *.MOV files is when Iam shooting for someone who is editing on a MAC. But

    for me it, in reality, doesn't make any difference if I shoot in *.mp4 or

    *.mov. They both work fine.But what I can do is make global changes

    (Pre-grade) in another program and then import the pre-graded clips into my

    edit program forfinishing. (My workflow has always been to pre-select my

    usable clips first then grade them in the black room (Using Scopes) and

    then use the pre-graded clips to edit. (I shoot V-Log to get the maximum

    dynamic range).

    I am moving towards learning more about Premier Pro at the moment, as my

    NLE of preference has been bought by a new company who don't seem to be

    awake when it comes to upgrades. It is a steep learning curve, and the one

    thing which I thought was great was the Speed Grade Match facility, but I

    can just as easily use my normal work-flow. (What I wanted to try was grade

    one clip from V-Log to ready to edit status, and then see if I could match

    the ungraded V-Log clips to the freshly graded clip.

    But thank you for the information.

    Paul Mills

    Professional Video Services - Johannesburg

    +27(0)82 850 9810

    www.paulmillsmedia.com

    https://www.facebook.com/ProfessionalVideo1953/?fref=ts


    Oh, yea. SpeedGrade's "Match" function. I had people tell me "but that's not perfect!" .... well, duh! However, it got me from 80% to 98% of the way "there" with a click. Speed!

    I can teach shot-matching in Lumetri within PrPro ... even choose to use it for small projects especially as I post-process nearly all my own media, and with 40 years of being a pro portrait photog, I work to ​nail​ WB and exposure in-camera. Makes a lot less work afterwards.

    But even for my media, when I've got 40-300 clips shot on-location (think weddings) ... or when I've got only one or two long clips ... I want to use Sg if possible, as for the many-clip scenario, it is SO much faster and easier to use for shot-matching and for the 1/2/3 long-clip scenario, I can polish the media right off the bat, then edit the Pretty stuff. Which isn't necessary, but I like it that way!

    The second one ... the 1/2/3 long clips but polish first, sounds similar to your preferred practice.

    Either one, I'm using PrPro 2017 and Patrick's PrProBCC application when I want to use SpeedGrade. It's only a few seconds, and I've got both all the nice stuff of PrPro 2017 ​and​ of SpeedGrade right to hand.

    Shooting MOV and using that in SpeedGrade 'native' mode, then using say a Cineform for the export for grading, would be something that might work for you. Sg does see the mov just fine, and exporting out in an intraframe-codec like Cineform both keeps the quality way up ​and​ edits in PrPro ... as fellow user Jim Simon says ... "like butter".

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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