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cscooper2013
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June 24, 2013
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Subclips inconsistent behavior; not always working correctly in Premiere Pro CC

  • June 24, 2013
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I load a clip into the Source panel.  I set in and out points and then CTRL + U to create a subclip.  I have "Restrict Trim to subclip boundaries" turned off.  (Thank you Adobe, I've been waiting for "soft" subclips forEVER!)  The new subclip appears in my Project panel with the correct name and duration (as well as a white audio icon to indicate that it has not yet been used in my project).  Now, I drag that subclip into my sequence.  But the entire clip (a 5 minute interview), from which the subclip was derived, is loaded onto the timeline.

This has been working correctly for the last hour, and now it has stopped working.  It appears that for the moment, subclipping is dead to me. 

Help?!

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    daxmacrog
    daxmacrog
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    November 14, 2013

    This is still a problem in 7.1. Unfortunately, the subclips I created (from merged clips) maintained the proper in/out points initially. I specifically tested them because I've had this problem before. I say “unfortunately” because I went ahead and used subclips to break down a long series of interviews, since subclips seemed to be holding. Now I've discovered that none of the subclips have retained any of the edit points I set. The entire clip plays (or most of it anyway, with seemingly random variations). It should be noted that some of the tracks did contain audio that started before the picture.

    That's a day I would like to have back.

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    thepossibility
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    July 2, 2013

    I can't get subclips to work on merged clips.

    1. Brand new project

    2. Import video AVCHD

    3. Import mono WAV audio from lav mic

    4. Create sequence and manually sync clip - (note that video is a subset of audio clip)

    5. Merge clips

    6. Open new (merged) clip in source

    7. Make a subclip

    8. Open subclip

    The subclip is time shifted from where it was set, to a seemingly random offset.

    FYI brand new iMac, i5, GTX 675MX, Premiere Pro CC, everything with latest updates.

    PS Occasionally when I am trying to do this, it just completely crashes with this error:

    [/sirreel64/releases/2013.02/shared/adobe/MediaCore/Backend/Make/Mac/../../Src/Clip/AudioClip.cpp-959]

    At this rate, I'll be downgrading to CS6 tomorrow.

    Mark Mapes
    Community Manager
    Mark MapesCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    July 2, 2013

    I succeeded in creating a subclip from a merged clip, and the subclip starts at the correct frame. Please provide more specifics about how you merged--what did you use as the sync point? If you didn't use the In Point as the sync point, then what's the offset between the start of the video and the audio, and does that correspond directly to the offset in the subclip?

    I too hit a crash while testing this, but at a different place (InsertEdit4PointInfo.cpp-74). I've taken note of both crashes and will write them up.

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    Anonymous
    September 12, 2015

    Not able to make subclips from NONmerged clips that work properly. CC2015, still no fix?


    Just started using subclips in an interview project and have run into similar problems as well; my impression is that there seems to be a problem with the way Premiere is handling the in and out points of subclips and not being able to keep track of them accurately. The very first clip I tried to edit into a sequence (after marking ins and outs on the subclip) brought over the entire original clip into the sequence. Since then, marking ins and outs on the subclips and dropping them in a sequence has been working great.

    HOWEVER, one bug for sure is that if I load a subclip into the source monitor, set new in and out points, then load a different subclip in the source monitor and do the same, then return back to the previous clip, the in and out points are gone (very frustrating when trying to compare two different takes). The two subclips are from different master clips, so there is not a conflict there (even though theoretically it shouldn't matter). These are straight MOV files from a Canon 5DIII, no merged audio or anything. All subclips were created with the restricted trim box unchecked (ie soft subclips).

    OS X 10.10.5

    Premiere Pro 9.0.2 (CC 2015)

    jstrawn
    Community Manager
    jstrawnCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    June 24, 2013

    I just repro'd the same behavior on mac 10.8.4. I'll look into it. Thanks.

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    cscooper2013Author
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    June 24, 2013

    Also, perhaps it's helpful; perhaps not:  This issue is occuring with a clip that I Merged earlier (manually sync'd — since "Synchronize" thus far, for me, also does not work at all).

    Since the new "Synchronize" and "Merge" (using Audio to sync the merged clip) commands do not work for me—that is they don't actually synchronize even the most similar audio/video waveforms).  My workflow is this: 

    I take an AVCHD interview clip (5 minutes from Canon VIXIA HF G20 camcorder) and manually lined it up with it's coresponding audio recorder file (320k MP3 file—I have my reasons) on my "Interviews to be Merged" Sequence.  Once the video and audio are lined up, I "Merge Clips...".  Then (and I wish it wasn't a two-step process) I find the newly merged clip in my Project panel and "Modify > Audio Channels".  I reduce the clip down to Mono with 1 Channel assigning the track with the MP3 as the only active audio.  Now I'm ready to edit.  I double click the newly minted clip, complete with great audio, and it loads into the Source monitor.  Using the J, K, L keys, I find and mark my In and Out points.  Then I CTRL + U to "Make Subclip".

    I've just noticed (hence this update) that the clip I that was working earlier is a clip (from same camera) that is using original, on-camera shotgun mic, instead of a lav, which means I did not put it through the "Merge Clips..." and "Modify > Audio Channels" process before attempting to create subclips from it.

    When you were able to repro the issue, what type of clip did you happen to be using?  Merged?  Modified channels?  Curious.

    jstrawn
    Community Manager
    jstrawnCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    June 25, 2013

    Actually the repro turned out to be usr error in my case. I dragged the sourc clip in to compare to the subclip, forgetting that it still shared the same in/out points at that point. I tired it on additional systems and was unable to repro your steps. I triesdi ti wiht just standard mov clip, nothing that had been merged or modified. If you would like to send me a test clip, I can try the steps again.

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