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Why is Encore not being updated to CC?

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June 19, 2013
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I've used Adobe for 2 years now and love what Encore allows me to do in DVD authoring. With the new CC suite, I'm not sure I understand why this product is being "dropped". I know that those that don't have it can install it, however I'm not sure why Adobe dropped it as in the Mac world I don't know of a DVD authoring software package that does what Encore does.

One of the things I was hoping they would fix was the output for DVD images does not change from project to project. If I have Project 1 and I have it create a DVD image and give it a folder and file name of Project1.iso and then open another project, Project 2, it does not chnage the ISO name saved when I closed Project 2. It still says Project 1 (and if the folder path is long, you can't even see the iso name unless you click in the field and scroll all the way to the right).

Is everyone still using Encore or is there yet another option out there that gives as much flexability in creating paths and navigation the way that Encore does?

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Correct answer John T Smith

1st, you may still use Encore CS6 http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/ just not with Dynamic Link (which sometimes has problems anyway, for some people)

2nd, I have not used it, but there is an Encore alternative http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-authoring-burning-software.aspx

bearguy9

Participant

There is one workaround I'm curious if anyone has considered - before I get in so deep I can't get out.

I heard that Adobe Media Encoder was far superior than Compressor . . .does it not export as .m2v and .ac3 in one shot in batches from the timeline?
Will Adobe Media Encoder ingest ProRes files and export as .m2v and .ac3?
Can anyone suggest tutorials or direction for our studio that produces dance recitals and music events to DVD based on the workflow change below? Parents have NOT even BEGUN to ask about not getting DVD's. It's more years away than the industry is forcing us into. We've been surveying them - 95% want the events on DVD long term. We also do digital as an add-on to be ready for the transition.

If you look at our workflow, and you have ANY advice whatsoever, we have 5 workstations, do graphics on everything and super elaborate DVD authoring and effects with phenomenal effects, drop zones, and templates from Digital Juice.

This is our CURRENT workflow being forced to change because of Maverick and Yosemite:

OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion -> FCP7 -> Motion -> combined in FCP7 -> export via Compressor to .m2v/.ac3 -> DVD Studio Pro

We are trying to reconfigure this flow but not able to plan it out:

OSX 10.9 Maverick -> CC Premier -> After Effects -> combined in Premier (hopefully?) -> export to Adobe Media Encoder out as .m2v/.ac3? or Pro Res with add-on? -> WHAT CAN WE DO? Encore? or keep an older operating system on one workstation to just use DVD Studio Pro as last step?

Last question, as closely as I have studied this thread, I can't figure out how to get Encore on my MacPro (Maverick) from Creative Cloud. I didn't have any CS prior.

Utterly amazed the entire software world has just abandoned DVD Authoring as an entire business? or have I misinterpreted this thread?

Thank you to all on this thread, it has been discouraging, but very informative.

neil wilkes

Legend

Hi bearguy9.

To try & answer your 3 workflow questions:

1 - Yes it does, although not owning a mac I cannot possibly comment on how good (or not) Apple's Compressor is.

2 - Yes it will - we use ProRes all the time with no trouble at all. Even on PC.

3 - There are still applications out there, although what you can get for Mac OS is well outside my knowledge. PC always was the way to go for authoring applications.

I still stand by the statement/speculation I made previously as to why Encore was dropped, and I firmly believe it was nothing to do with "the industry is moving away from replicated media" as this is pure BS. Yes, DVD sales are down but this is mainly because the major labels are not releasing stuff anybody wants to buy in music terms and most of what they did release was poor quality - I know I got sick to death of second rate live concert films that looked as if they had been shot in hand held cameras using Dolby Digital for the audio content - a music release should never use anything except LPCM to my mind as AC3 is the DVD equivalent of MP3 and simply should not be welcome on any music release. It's been well proved that if you make the discs of good quality with desirable content, people will buy them.

Streaming on demand is a flash in the pan that will soon go away as well - it will linger on for low quality stuff but not much more. Let's look at the downsides that somehow never get mentioned:

1 - Choice is actually quite limited once you get past the first few weeks of any service. Netflix looks like it has a lot, but it doesn't, not really - less than old style rental stores used to carry.

2 - Bandwidth is limited for probably 75% of internet connections. I see advertised "deals" with caps from 5 to 20Gb "usage allowance" - that is usage, not download. In the current economy most people will vote with their wallets. T'interweb is great for emails, cat photos etc but for most people it is an expensive luxury to have unrestricted access (mine costs me £100 every month)

3 - No streaming company has ever actually made a profit in the long term. I suspect the reason Rovi bought Sonic Solutions (the people who owned the author core for Encore) was specifically to shut them down and remove the competition, which considering their main business is streaming on demand, makes perfect sense to me.

4 - People have been saying "CD is dead" and "Vinyl is dead" for years now yet both refuse to go away.

Replicated content is - and always will be - king.

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chadd76

Participant

I understand Adobe's stance that "The trend in the video and broadcast industry is moving away from physical media distribution"; however, as trends go, not everyone jumps on-board right away.

My recommendation is just simply remove Encore as an attachment to Premiere CS6 and add it to the previous version list on creative cloud with everything else. It doesn't have to be improved or brought up to CC level. Just give us easier access. You did it with Fireworks. Do it with Encore.

As the creative director of a multi-million dollar manufacturing company, I work with retailers and sales reps all over the world. Many of them want the latest and greatest innovations. Others are holding onto technology they know. None of them can turn on a dime to adjust to changing "trends."

Stan Jones

Community Expert

It is a great idea (separate Encore to its own installer), but I believe it is more complicated to implement that it might appear. In addition to the sonic licensing (which might have to be changed to make it standalone), the mpeg licensing might also be an issue.

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chadd76

Participant

Sure.. I get that. Things are always more complicated than they appear. But why spend the time, money, and effort to write, shoot, edit, and distribute an 18 minute video to show you how to get Premiere CC and Encore to work together instead of spending those resources making them work together. (Using Premiere Pro CC & Encore CS6 for Bluray, DVD, and Interactive Video for iPad,ATV, and Mobile HD | DAVTechTable | A…) Or at the very least use those resources to make program more accessible.

As for licensing. Yeah, I deal with products that my company licenses from time to time and there is allot of fine print on how and where they can be used. But mpeg is obviously already licensed to use with Premiere CS6 and the video I pointed out above clearly states using it as a stand alone program with Premiere CC. So, you are really are just looking at how encore is accessed. And even there, whether it comes through Premiere CS6 or on its on, you are still getting it through the Creative Cloud.

Mau7rice

Known Participant

Hi folks, my name is Maurice, I've been learning and doing recording of some type for about 10+ years now; I'm just recently working towards doing freelancing and Premiere is my main tool right now. I've very recently shot a church service where I was paid $120 for 4 hours of shooting(Less than desired but I'm just getting my foot in the door). I already delivered through email links to YouTube where I broke the whole service into several videos.

But now the church is asking for a DVD, as mentioned by other people, the trend might be to move away from physical media but there are still people out here that like a actual disc,dvd,cassette ect in their hand that they can play at home. In my situation older churches or churches in poorer areas will tend to have older people that are not up to date on the latest Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram and social media craze. The leaders of these churches might have email but their overall congregation might not even have or be use to that. Long story short, I was asked to deliver a dvd. Of all the video projects I've done other than using Movie Maker to create a simple DVD i never tried it with any adobe software.

Reading all the post going back to 2013 it sounds like I wont have much luck getting much support from Adobe with my OEM version of Encore. If Adobe is moving away from Encore then my question is if I'm using Premiere for my video edits, what's the best DVD software to use with Premiere so I can output to DVD?

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Short answer: use Encore. What version of Premiere do you have?

Mau7rice

Known Participant

I have the CS6 Master collection OEM. But since I never really made DVDs I never thought to check Encore. Most my output is usually for online; but now that I need to do DVD's I find out that Encore didnt install correctly. But is there any reasonable DVD creation software that can be used after I export my premiere projects ?

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LeTechnicien

Participant

Thanks, your help is greatly appreciated. The links will actually come in handy for my user base.

I found my issue with Adobe Premiere not showing up in the Creative Cloud Desktop Application previous versions was related to the computer being on a Win7 - 32 bit O/S .

32-bit Support | Production Premium CS6, Master Collection CS6

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Thanks for reporting that. I forget that issue, and that it affects being able to add Encore.

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LeTechnicien

Participant

These instructions do not work any longer at least for my work environment and I followed the steps very carefully regarding "previous versions". Basically Premiere Pro does not even show up and I scrolled up and down all the way. Caveat being my institution has a site license for CC - we had a site license for CS6 and were able to install Encore with no issues.

Encore CS6 not installed with Creative Cloud

John T Smith

Community Expert

CS5-thru-CC PPro/Encore tutorial list http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1448923 will help

The bottom section of the link above has several Adobe links, and other information, on downloading Premiere Pro CS6 and the bundled Encore CS6, and the TWO ADDED downloads for the Encore library content, to author a DVD or BluRay... and the tutorial list includes learning how to use Encore... pay particular attention to the picture in reply 3 at this link - https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1516173 (picture first posted by Ann Bens and reposted by Stan Jones)

Neossir

Inspiring

Thanks Neil for your great post of authoring alternatives to Encore, I'll definitely look into them.

But I think we should keep this thread active to show Adobe there's a great number of CC users that really need a CC version of Encore. Despite correcting the various bugs of the software, it would allow us to use Encore with Photshop CC for menus, and with Premiere Pro CC to send timelines over. And it will garanty that it will work on Mac OS XI or Windows 9.

I've tried to launch a poll to see how many users are really needing an update for Encore, but the option doesn't seem available to me. Any encore enthusiast around here willing to open a poll ?

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Neofilm

Inspiring

I produce video for a living and while in many instances I may merely put it online or deliver it to the customer via a hard drive there are just as many instances of me needing to burn projects to DVD, for example wedding videos. If there is not support for creating DVD's after editing a project then what exactly are we to do with the project Adobe when it needs to be delivered to the customer in a way they can play the video???

Obviously this is the trend, moving away from support from physical media distribution, even Microsoft is doing it. My XBox doesn't play blu-ray, which I felt it should, but I found somewhere when I was looking into it that Microsoft is moving away from that.

So, how are we supposed to deliver our work if we don't use physical media??? If I have an hour long, personal project I produce for someone and it needs to have chapters and a menu, what is the alternative???? Adobe shouldn't take something away or stop supporting something when there's no sure alternative!!!!!!!!

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Victoria Stephen

Known Participant

I agree. The alternatives are poor or very expensive. Adobe needs to review Encore or integrate into Premiere. Blu-Ray is the still a very viable medium.

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Trae1000

Participant

I am still using Encore. I also used DVD Studio Pro very heavily, previous to this. I am rather disappointed with the lack of support from Apple and now Adobe regarding their DVD/BR systems. They are forgetting the cardnial rules of business. Supply and Demand. Consumers are still seeking these products, and regardless of how fast they would like to jump the gun and erase all physical discs, the majority of the free world is still using them as well as seeking them out.

Early technology adopters are but a small percentage of the consumer base.

I order to make this work you have to go old school, meaing do most of the work manually and find creative work arounds for the bugs. And there are quite a few. Get on your job Adobe.

Support The Disc.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Support The Disc.

Yes!

neil wilkes

Legend

To try & state "the world is moving away from physical media" is disingenuous at best and downright pure unadulterated BS at worst. Streaming on demand requires fast broadband - and even in West London - never mind rural areas that have dialup only - we cannot get fibre optic, and according to BT there are "no plans to do so in the near future" either.

So we are stuffed with the feckup called Sky Plus.

Tried to download a film from that last night - 4 hours, and still a 3.1Gb HD film had not downloaded. Why? Simply put, our broadband here is still twisted pair, and once all the kids get online in the evenings I can watch my downstream speed collapse - literally - to that of dialup. I am not on a cheap connection either, but the best available in my area.

Now let's look at other broadband. Given the economy & the mess that the handwringing socialists have made of things spending money they did not have, everyone is screwed financially. Over a third of the UK have no online access at all. Of the 2/3 that do, probably 90% are on restricted connections because people vote with their wallets.

Hollywood are trying to go the streaming route because it means that they will be able to charge you every time you watch a film. Think about that - carefully - because that is where they want to go, and they will blame it on "piracy".

Real reason Encore is dropped? I think there are 2 of them.

1 - They are boxed into a corner with the Abstraction Layer, and since Premiere got hived off to India, nobody gives a damn any longer.

2 - the most important one. Rovi (who bought Sonic Solutions in a hostile takeover) have dropped all DVD and BluRay authoring tools. Scenarist is gone. Total Code is gone. CineVision is Gone. All support stops - forever - at the end of this year (2013). How this is legal escapes me - a company with a vested interest in a different business model buys the only independent disc production company that is left & closes it down?

Remember Rovi are a streaming media company........and that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Why does this matter for Encore? Adobe licensed the Author Core from Sonic, who no longer exist, and Rovi owen the rightas to it & doubtless refused to renew the deal because their vested interest is in making you pay again every time you want to watch.

Their next stop will be the record business too and again it will be blamed on piracy & low sales. Streaming will never, ever replace physical media. There is no sense of ownership & it is a serious con trick as well.

Disgusting.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Neil, thanks for posting. Several users are asking about alternatives. Encore, short term, is no better or worse than it was, except that you cannot use dynamic link. But longer term, Adobe has stated (http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.edu.html) that it will not update operating system support:

"Encore CS6 is supported on Microsoft® Windows® 7 with Service Pack 1 (64 bit) and Mac OS X v10.6.8 or

v10.7. Please note that Encore CS6 support for future operating system updates or new hardware

platforms will not be provided."

This is contrary to the plan for other CS6 apps. The Encore FAQ is silent regarding bug fixes, but I doubt we'll see any more than in the last rounds.

Many users are asking about alternatives. For simple authoring there are options. But what does the pro user now do without Scenarist or the like?

neil wilkes

Legend

Hiya Stan.

Thanks to Rovi killing off Scenariost SD/BD and all the MPEG-2 encoding tools, things are difficult.

I am not sure what else is still available except for Sony's DVD Architect (definitely a going concern, and unless you include DVDSP it leaves Sony as the only player left now) and - perhaps - Media Chance Lab's "DVD Lab Pro 2" - I will check with the writers to see if new licenses are still available.

DLP (as we know DVD-Lab Pro) is a very, very good tool. It does have issues but these can all be worked around and I am waiting to find out of new licenses are still available.

Support for this tool is also very good - one of the mainstays in the forums knows more about this app than I can begin to describe & it is very good indeed.

I would also recommend any DVD authors to get a copy of the wonderful PGCEdit. It's donationware, but well worth $50 of anybody's money as it allows you to edit a compiled Video_TS without having to go back into authoring again.

The other fly in the ointment will of course be getting product to replication as Encore's DDP & CSS functions are seriously unreliable and the layer break routine is a joke.

GEAR Pro Mastering Edition is the way forward here and there will soon be an update to this that will, when you create a new project as a DVD9, look for all valid layer break points & give you the choice before master DDP files are created. GPME will also handle CSS scrambling (and does it properly, unlike Encore) and is in my opinion invaluable.

BluRay is harder - there are now only 2 applications that can output spec legal BDCMF folders with AACS applied (mandatory).for replication (again, Encore cannot do this at all and required an addon to manage this. Both are owned/coded by Sony Creative Media.

1 - DoStudio. This comes as a modular tool, and starts very cheaply indeed with the DoStudio Indie option (Straight BDMV only) or the EX addon module, and you can also get the BD-J module as well as a 3D module. Unlike Scenarist, the basic version is fully expandable.

2 - BluPrint. This is Sony's top-of-the-line tool, and you will need a remortgage to get into this one.

DoStudio is suitable for beginners to intermediate users and requires a good working knowledge of PhotoShop. This is the tool we use (we run DoStudio EX with BD-J module) and have made several successfully replicated titles that passed folder/content verification from Sony DADC with no trouble at all.

http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/dvdlabpro.html

http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html

http://www.gearsoftware.com/pro-mastering.php

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/dostudio

The demise of Encore is a sad day, I believe, as it could have been so good if only the bugs had been nailed, and support for more advanced operations added via scripting.

DLP requires a certain amount of knowledge of the structure of DVD - Encore's abstraction layer boxed it into a corner to a great extent and the way every timeline became a new VTS was a nightmare of complexity, as it forced nearly all menus into the VMGM domain. It is full-spec, and there is very little it cannot do.

Neossir

Inspiring

It is disappointing that Adobe won't update Encore, seems like Apple policy that dropped DVD creation with FCP X and DVD playback in its laptop. It's probably true that we're "moving away from physical media distribution" as they say in their FAQ, but we're not there yet and meanwhile we are still burning DVDs and BRs. It's a pity that a few glitches in Encore won't be corrected and won't benefit of the CC changes.

John T Smith

Correct answer

Community Expert

1st, you may still use Encore CS6 http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/ just not with Dynamic Link (which sometimes has problems anyway, for some people)

2nd, I have not used it, but there is an Encore alternative http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-authoring-burning-software.aspx

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