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Why is Premiere pro with 3rd party audio plugins (mostly waves) unusable?

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June 8, 2019
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I use Premiere Pro for all my work and I cannot believe that Adobe insist on editors moving to a whole new app for audio mixing (audition) to make a final edit for every production you make - mainly becuase all features I need to make an audio mix is already in PRP - BUT things aren't working as smooth as they should considering PRP i sold as a "high end editing platform for professionals". The audio track mixer hasn't been updated since I don't know when and the plugins I use (and a whole lot of other professional audio engineers) will simply not run smooth in Premiere. It is so strange since it seems so very basic to e.g. get a small VST compressor to work smooth in a mixer. (and I can't believe the inserts in the mixer are "locked" so you cannot rearrange, copy or paste them after putting them in the mixer ???)

My top issue is my Waves 10.0 plugins. I have never had a nice experience with them in Premiere - but I still choose this sluggish performance over the very destructive way to hop over to Audition and make my audio mix there.

I use Premiere Pro 2019 v13.1.2 and Waves 10.0.0.16 and the things that not work is simply changing the parameters inside of the plugin. When dragging let's say the threshold of a compressor the plugin won't respond until I let go of the knob and then it can be way off what I intended - and it has been like this with every version of PRP and every version of Waves I've come across last 5 years. It is in other words unusable BUT I still choose these plugins over Audition since I still manually can type the values I want and let's face it it's not that many parameters to work with so it should be easy to build a PRP version that can handle these plugins.

And yes - waves plugins are way better than to ones included with Premiere. I just don't find the compressors, EQs etc. good enough to value them over sluggish performance in my Waves plugins. Please add the simple code to PRP to make third party audio plugins run smooth. It is such a basic thing - even completely free video editors I've tested handle these plugins better than PRP.

I have considered moving to Davinci Resolve - when testing it for 1hour I was amazed how smooth even the editing was compared to Premiere, not to mention how well my waves plugins worked, and it's unbelievable that PRP is so slow in so many sections considering how much I pay for the software every year.

Let me know If I'm missing out on something about why my waves plugins don't work.

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R Neil Haugen

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The original clip is unchanged, and in fact the audio tracks are still there as they were. The re-worked audio is on tracks down below them. So you can say remove those audio tracks if you wish, or mute them, whatever.

The audio that's come back from Audition can of course be edited in Premiere using typical means. And as I noted, the ParaEQ effect I'd applied in the Track mixer in PrPro went to the track's rack in Audition, and was in the track mixer's Effects section on return. Fully editable.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Jyôti22366257

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Hello to all. Now, May 3rd. 2022: All issues with audio plugins VST on Premiere Pro 2022 still intact. Simply, I want to use a Waves Audio Compressor, and all parameter stuck while touch something. Waves Audio work perfect on Pro Tools, Avid Media Composer and Resolve Davinci... Adobe, why are you so stubborn? You get my money every single new moth, but you can't fix a so basic issues... And not, Audition aren't an audio editing option.

Thanks.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Most any advanced audio work in the Adobe suite is by design and intention done in Audition.

That's what that app is there for.

I don't understand why you don't want to use the process as designed.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

R Neil Haugen

Legend

I just sent a PrPro project over to Audition using "Export sequence to Audition" that had Parametric EQ applied and set in PrPro.

It opened in Audition, with the track with the ParaEQ effect showing that effect in the track rack. I could open, edit the paramaters set back in PrPro. I saved the file in Audition.

Sent it back via "Export to Premiere Pro" ... it added additional tracks back in Premiere, and on those, showed the ParaEQ effect in the Track Mixer. I checked ... and yes, these were the modded settings I'd just done in Audition.

As additional tracks again ... nothing overwritten. My EQ effects in the Premiere track mixer were editable in Audition ... and came back still editable in Premiere. The original track in Premiere still had the ParaEQ settings I'd first set, and was fully playable.

Nothing destructive, and the effects were applied and editable through the whole process.

This isn't as easy to 'see' as it should be, that I'll definitely agree and up the ante on. I've talked with the devlopers about this at NAB for years. But it's a ton better than it used to be.

In Resolve, of course, they use 'pages' to go from essentially one app to the other. Yea, that's a bit clearer to the user in some ways. But Fairlight is still a separate app, simply accessed via the Fairlight "page" in Resolve. Pretty slick UI work, that.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

davidtarrodiAuthor

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Ok. That sounds interesting. But what happens with the actual clips that are in the tracks that are exported? If I would change the edit after coming back from Audition, then I would need to do the round trip all over again wouldn't I?

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Nerd02

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I suffer from unresponsive controls with waves plugins (9.0) in premiere pro cc2020 aswell, but one solution has been, not to have the audio track mixer window open, when using waves plugins. It's wierd, but the same thing has been the case with the essential graphics window, that seems to slow down responsiveness in other parts of premiere pro. Go figure.

davidtarrodiAuthor

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I too suffer from this - still after 3 years of trying to get Adobe to understand the very basic thing to add audio plugins in the track mixer and edit them in a smooth way. 1 million updates later and still the same thing but a bunch of useless other functions like "sort all your clips in the browser as you would on your desktop - freely and in a total mess"

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Editing audio in Audition is only destructive if you edit by clip. Don't.

Edit in Audition by sequence, it sends the whole sequence over in multi-track version and works very nicely.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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excited_Genie16B8

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Edit in Audition by sequence, it sends the whole sequence over in multi-track version and works very nicely.

It's still 'destructive' though. The process creates new audio files for use in Audition, with PP audio effects baked in and no way to undo them after the send. Additionally, all the work done in Audition is just as destructive, with no way to undo it once you send it back over to PP.

It's a very sloppy process compared to having the Fairlight mixer right in Resolve. Adobe needs to take a lesson from BMD on this one.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

No, the audio in Audition is only destructive if you use Waveform mode. I don't. It is not destructive in Multi-Track mode.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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