Why out marker is placed one frame after the playhead?

[avpromedia]

When you click the mark in icon, an in marker is created at the playhead as expected.

If you click the mark out icon, however, the out marker is created one frame after the playhead.

This could lead to accidentally deleting an extra frame and seems like a bug.

Is it?

[R Neil Haugen]

Not at all. The current time indicator ... CTI/playhead ... is not a dividing line. There is no real in-between frames thing in an NLE. There is always an 'active' frame. There are no spaces between frames.

So the CTI is always connected with a frame ... the frame after the line. The line doesn't divide your sequence, it illustrates which frame it is connected to. For better example, use the + key to zoom way in. After a certain point, you will see a blue line appear at the top of the sequence ... which is the horizontal display of the length on the seqeunce of the current frame.

To set an out point, it's better to use the keyboard shortcut "Go to selected clip end" ... search for that in the keyboard shortcuts screen. Set a custom key-short for it. That way you can simply hit that short instead of the say down arrow and get to the right frame to set your outpoint.

Neil

[Gui Costa]

I have the same issue, its was working fine after update. Its a bug or some settings?

[Gui Costa]

before the last updade ***

[Peru Bob]

That is the way it works.

[Gui Costa]

yeah, but look at the marker out, its 1 frame after the playhead, thats the point. I put the playhead at the end of the clip and mark out, but it go with 1 black frame in the end. 

[Gui Costa]

it happen anywhere in the timeline, not just in the end. 

[Peru Bob]

Please show the rest of the timeline zoomed in on the CTI.

[Warren Heaton]

Since time is measured from left to right:

• the very thin vertical blue line of the Playhead extends from the handle downward through all Tracks and aligns with the left edge (or the start) of the frame
• the thicker horizontal blue bar of the Playhead extends from the handle along the Time Ruler to the right for the duration of the frame
• the thin blue vertical line of the Out Mark in the Time Ruler aligns with the right edge (or the end) of the frame

Based on you screenshot, go one frame previous and mark the Out again to avoid including one frame of black and end on the right edge of the PNG's Clip Boundary.

[avpromedia]

Is there a way to replace the mark out button with a two-key sequence that move back one frame and then mark out?

[Ann Bens]

Select clip and hit / (forward slash). Then hit Shift+O for outpoint

That will put the out point on the last frame and not on the first frame of the next clip or whatever.

this is the first frame of the next .....

[avpromedia]

In adobe audition multitrack view you can also mark in (i) and out (o) points. The out point is mark exactly where the playhead is, not one audio sample away from it. Shouldn't premiere and audition have a consistent behavior?

[R Neil Haugen]

They do, actually  ... if you understand the difference between audio and video files.

Video files are set due to the number of frames per second. There is no subdivision of video frames ... ever. Not in any NLE.

As you can't have half a frame.

Audio files are "timed" in milliseconds. And actually, you can't subdivide audio files past their natural division either. It's just a vastly smaller natural division.

Video, including both video frames and audio files, is a bit complicated because their natural divisions are different.

[Pelican25272736ahqp]

Had the same issue but when you right click on timeline and enable 'show audio time units' , you don't have that effect anymore

[Warren Heaton]

With Show Audio Time Units enabled, it's still left to right with the veritcal line along the left side of the sample (instead of the left side of the frame) and the Out Marker along the right side of the sample.  

Zoom in further to see it.