Is there a Pivot control in Lumetri to adjust just middle grey?

Jim,

Color Cone is quite interesting. I downloaded the sample last spring, tested a few minutes, but haven't had time to get back to it. It seems ... useful.

I've color workspaces setup for both Lumetri and Red Giant's Colorista ... simply because both can be loaded as panels. Which makes a HUGE difference in working speed, as you don't grab the effect/apply to a clip/clips then start changing. Any time the playhead is on a clip, in either Lumetri panel or Colorista panel, you can just start working with the controls. Premiere will automatically apply the effect to the clip.

I don't know if Color Cone can load as a panel ... if so, I'd get it just because additional color tools always approach things a bit differently and are therefore useful.

Neil

You could take a look at this third-party product.  I haven't used it yet.  You can download a demo.  Also look at their Warping Wheels product.

https://picture-instruments.com/products/index.php?id=10&back=1 

I've started a post here asking if there are any extensions or plug-ins for Pr that bring it to parity with Resolve's color capabilities, and I've done some research, and this looks the most promising.  I'd love to hear some feedback from some Resolve experts who've tried these with Pr.

I continue to mostly use Lumetri over some of the third-party color plugs I've purchased because the GPU accelleration.  Red Giant claims Colorista is accellerated, but I'm not seeing it.  In fact most of the third party effects I have in which the developers claim to be GPU accellerated still show the red needs rendering stripe in the Pr timeline.

Yea, the lack of a number by the Color Wheels Luma slider is a pain. The engineers just reply that well, there isn't a coordinate number by the color adjustment either ... and I'm used to working on my Elements panel, which can be set to give a number readout on its internal display. So ... they could put numbers there, apparently they are available in the API.

Adjusting the pivot point changes the point that adjustments are based on. Salvo's diagrams were quite correct that way. SpeedGrade had the typical Shadow/Mids/Highs 3-way "view", but you could take each of those, and have lows/mids/uppers I guess you could say. I used that a lot ... and yes, adjusted the pivot point to get the most precise control for the image.

And yea, I was one of the very vocal ones when they deprecated then eventually ended SpeedGrade. Rather ticked off the then-product manager, rather thoroughly in fact. And I appreciate that he's been replaced by the guy that had co-created Iridas/SpeedGrade. Unfortunately, after the demise of that app. Ahh well.

Using the pivot to actually change tonal/color information is possible, but of course, can be argued. As I spend much time with colorists, I've heard this argued. But I figure if something does exactly what you want, and doesn't harm any pixels in the process, what the hay, right?  😉

We're all adults and if we wanna do something "foolish" and it just works, well, we can.

Although for what you're wanting to do, I'd probably either make a Lumetri preset, which you can of course apply to single or all selected clips, or make save the changes to a LUT, then save that such that it can be applied to the Creative tab LUT slot. I'd make it as "far" as I'd ever need, and use the 'amount' slider to determine how much change it makes. Probably this latter step, actually. Faster than applying a preset.

And would come after the basic tonal work it sounds like you're doing in the Basic tab, which is good. LUTs being known as the dumbest math out there.

Adding LUTs of course must be done outside the program/package files, in the locations in the chart below. You have to create the last pair of folders, Technical (Basic tab) and Creative. I've made icons on the desktop to go to those folders, so I can manage LUTs quickly. And I name (or rename) all LUTs I use so they come up first in the computer-ese alpha-numeric sorting.

01 A low-sat neut

01 B high-sat neut

03 A BMPCC4K film 70s soft

And so on ... two digits so I can have up to 99 major categories though I'm only using 6 at the moment. A space for visual clarity. A letter for 25 sub-categories. Then the name of the purpose for that LUT.

Neil

you have nothing like this in adobe, and pivot isn't really the best way to fix what you want in resolve either... as you know.

This is using a chart with specific mask to match that specific chart for basic cc with control over light source and WB, like a real movie set ... not kid stuff... but everything has to be worked with... so the answer, as you found out in the beginning, is NO, THERE IS NO PIVOT ADJUSTMENT in Adobe.

If you use a chart ( with specific light balance ) to get your basic cc ( like resolve or other editors)... let's say an x-rite passport video chart, and you do a quick cc using the built in mask to do that, like you really know what you're doing on a film set for lighting, then you'll find there's NOTHING like that in adobe. That would do your flesh tones etc. Then you could further adjust as you like ( including facial recognition and tracking for more subtle FACE ( skin ) adjustments around eyes, etc... you know the drill )... Neil recently claimed he could draw a mask around the chart ( same chart I just bought a few months ago ) and use 'auto color' and it fixed everything for quick CC.. Maybe try THAT as your quick solution.

I highly doubt it will work.

But you're obviously really smart and good already at what you want re: what you see and what you want to see instead... so you'll be teaching mommy and daddy in no time.

🙂

the problem is that you know what you want, and you know what works fast (most of the time in general, using resolve and 'pivot' adjustment), and you want that in Adobe. It's not gonna happen. You already know that no matter how mom and dad fight ( I hope I'm the daddy just to be manly here ).

Good luck

🙂

my understanding of pivot is this, though I am an idiot and could be completely wrong.

Think of a rubber band between two fixed points ( black and white). Now grab the rubber band in the middle ( middle tone) and pull the rubber band slightly to the left ( black) or to the right (white ). If you do it gently it only effects your area of ire range... and you won't see change of left and gain on scopes... but it does in fact effect other values near the middle ( especially if you crank the pivot way up or down ).

So, that's the thing you want to find out if you can set in Lumetri.

are you familiar with log on setting in resolve, which narrows the overlap of ylift, ygamma, ygain ?? Maybe there's a setting in lumetri that does something similar, though I doubt it. That might make it faster than using curves.

no.