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Karel Bata
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August 15, 2009
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Moving tracks up and down...?

  • August 15, 2009
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So easy to do in PS AE etc, but a real mystery in PP...

And is it possible to insert a track?

Cheers!

    Correct answer Colin Brougham

    Thanks.

    But that is ridiculous. Moving tracks or layers is standard practice in so much other software.

    I'm currently working on something that has (at its peak) five small windows with different clips with lots of edits running with their own effects. At times I've wanted to reprioritise a track (to put it above another) so just draggng a track up would have been a quick way of doing it.

    How disappointing - and a shame the project is too long for AE!

    Currently waiting to see if Encore (having spent an hour transcoding) decides to throw up another error message! And why doesn't it just say there's a problem an hour ago? "Legacy issues" I'm told on the relevant forum. Sheesh....


    But that is ridiculous. Moving tracks or layers is standard practice in so much other software.

    I assume you're talking about software like After Effects or Photoshop, which contain "layers" and not "tracks" in the way that Premiere Pro, and any other editor for that matter, have them . Perhaps it's a semantic difference, but it's an important one: in Adobe software, a "layer" contains one and only one footage item or graphical element, whereas a "track" can contain one or more footage items or graphical elements. In After Effects, you HAVE to seperate footage items by both time (X-axis) and stacking order (Y-axis)--that's simply how it works. However, with Premiere, you only necessarily have to seperate footage items by time (X-axis)--if you can do everything on one track, so be it.

    If you were able to drag tracks up and down in the stacking order (Y-axis), you may be able to achieve the layering effect you want at a certain point in time in your sequence, but you would also change the stacking order for the entire duration of the sequence. This may be what you want, or what you don't want, but I would submit that most people would never need this kind of functionality. How often does one need to completely rearrange the stacking order of an entire sequence? I know that I never need this; it's only small portions of time where I need to rearrange items on the Y-axis. I just think this capability would be so rarely needed that there is no point adding it; it could potentially cause more trouble than good.

    I'm currently working on something that has (at its peak) five small windows with different clips with lots of edits running with their own effects. At times I've wanted to reprioritise a track (to put it above another) so just draggng a track up would have been a quick way of doing it.

    You might consider nesting each track (or track segment) in its own sequence, so at least you're only dragging one element up and down, instead of multiple small clips. Just add one empty track to serve as a temporary landing zone, that you can move an individual nest into, and then continue to reshuffle until you get the order you want. I realize this isn't what you really want, but it's the best workaround I can think of.

    How disappointing - and a shame the project is too long for AE!

    Why is it too long for AE? After Effects has something like a 3 or 4-hour limit to a comp, which I imagine would be pretty difficult for most people to exceed. It would be a bit of a pain to manage, I suppose, but you could do it.

    Alternately, if you've got the suite and therefore Dynamic Link, just select the clips in the section of timeline you're trying to work with, and select Replace with After Effects Composition. That chunk of timeline will be sent to AE and the clips will be stacked as individual layers in the same order they're in in the PPro sequence. From there, you can organize and reorganize things to your heart's content, and that will be reflected in your PPro sequence. You may want to consider creating nested sequences in PPro first, because those will be recreated in your AE comp as nested precomps. Might make layer management a bit more friendly.

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    Harm_Millaard
    Inspiring
    August 15, 2009

    The help is useful in some cases. This may be one of them. Drag and drop is one solution and insert track is another solution. Go to the menu and select Sequence/Add track... How difficult can it be, but there are other workflows.

    Sorry, but this is such a basic question that if you need to ask this, it is better to get a basic education first or consult the manual, help file and study some tutorial.

    Karel Bata
    Known Participant
    August 15, 2009

    Should I be using the word layers? Like in PS or AE? I always think of them as tracks, like in 'track laying'. Meanwhile the material within a track is a clip. I think the manual agrees with me.

    Yes, you can drag and drop a clip, but no you can't do that with tracks. Or I'm missing something.

    Karel Bata
    Known Participant
    August 16, 2009
    What now comes to mind is editing picture to music, or spot fx. Having the tracks next to each other really helps, so temporarily moving a track to the bottom adjacent to the audio would be very helpful.

    This can easily be accomplished in two ways:

    1.) Permanent way - move the Video to a new Video Track at the "bottom" of the Video Track Pane and put the Video onto it. Do the same for the Audio, creating and populating a new Audio Track at the "top" of the stack. They will appear "next" to each other across the division of the two Panes.

    2.) For editing, without new Audio, or Video Tracks - the two Panes of the Timeline's Audio and Video Tracks can be independently scrolled. Set up each Pane, so that the Video appears at the very "bottom" of your Pane view, scrolling as is needed. Do the same for the Audio Tracks' Pane, again scrolling, as is needed. Now, you will need to adjust the individual Panes to sut, but that takes mere seconds to do - then scroll as needed.

    Good luck,

    Hunt


    This has turned into a bigger debate than I intended - and thanks for the replies! It's just something that crops up occasionally.

    There's a lot of other esoteric things that Premiere can do, and one might also be tempted to say "Who'd ever want that?" But somebody somewhere does. I've done a lot of sound editing, so when I'm on an NLE I automatically look for familiar tools. I'm sure I'm not alone there. I see the argument about the risk of folk accidentally moving tracks, but it could be a 'hidden' feature, like you'd have to hold the shift+ctrl key or something. So you'd really have to want to do it. That's what I thought it might be.

    But why are the sound tracks kept immovably separate from the video tracks at the bottom? And moving them up and down - to put them next to their respect videos perhaps - could be very handy. And that functionality could be refined even further...

    It's a legacy thing isn't it?

    And yes - a solo button would be great! That's something I've found myself looking for too.

    Anyway I got my answer. Cheers!