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HarrySHF
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July 7, 2020
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Strange Issue Capturing Mini-DV

  • July 7, 2020
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Hi. Since "real" work has been slow due to COVID, I decided to tackle a personal project. I have been digitizing Mini-DV home movies (yes, technically they are already digital, just moving them onto a hard drive) and using Premiere as the capture vehicle. My goal is to simply have the full tapes on a drive that I can then duplicate, pass on to my kids, 2 of whom are now adults, and have a backup in case the tapes are someday unplayable, or decks are not tolerant of the tapes, or Firewire is no longer supported (wait, that already happened!)

I have over 100 home movie tapes, and probably twice that in backups and reels and paid projects. It's been a good exercise. First, let me say I am very impressed. I have gone through 96 tapes, and only one of them had modest dropouts. All the others were pretty flawless. Premiere has also worked well. Some tapes have control-track breaks, so a "tape" ends up being 2 or 3 (or 9) clips on the drive; but that's OK.

Here is my problem. I have 3 tapes that will not digitize, but Premiere does not stop, or warn me, or flag in any way that it's not doing its job. I'll enter a reel name, a clip name, and click on the "TAPE" button (to digitize the whole tape) The time code starts rolling and the estimated time/ drive space that's left appears, just like the other 96 tapes. But with these 3 particular tapes, with no warning from Premiere, the capture process stops after about 45 seconds. The time code freezes, but the deck continues to play, and the capture window stays up, and no pop-up window asks me to save the clip (as happens at the end of the tape or in a control-track break) I watched a full tape, one hour, and assumed it had captured, but the clip was only a couple dozen MB and 45 seconds.

The only clue I can offer is that these 3 tapes are dubs from analog originals. But so were several other tapes that digitized in full… and once it’s recorded on Mini-DV tape, it’s just ones and zeros, so the quality of the analog video should not come into play at all.

Running this on an older MacBook Pro 13”, Sierra 10.12.6, and Premiere is up to date (auto-update enabled) I’m using a Sony GVD-1000 “Clamshell” deck, mini-Firewire cable to 400, to a FW 800 adapter, to Thunderbolt 2. It’s always worked fine. Tapes digitized before and after these 3 are fine. Multiple attempts with these 3 tapes always yield the same result.

Any ideas???
Cheers

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HarrySHF
HarrySHFAuthor
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July 8, 2020

New follow up. I digitized one of the tapes as before, with Quicktime, with the audio drift and weird playback. Then I went back and digitized JUST the audio on the max quality (AIFF) setting. Back in Premiere, that audio file played back fine, but there was still drift. So I found a few places to re-sync and it's mostly good. Just tedious.

And I still wonder- when it's just ones and zeros, why does Premiere not digitize it, AND not stop and tell me???

Cheers

HarrySHF
HarrySHFAuthor
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July 8, 2020

OK, so Quicktime Player seems more tolerant, and can digitize these "unacceptable" tapes. However, the sync drifts. So, I imported the clips into Premiere but the sound is running at like 25% speed, even though the video plays fine.

I wish that companies that make software (Apple, Adobe, etc.) would write said software to adhere to STANDARDS that engineers created when they made these physical formats.

Mini DV: It's flagged as 29.97, 44.1k, 16-bit. Why the confusion, Apple? Why the drama, Adobe? It's like these companies hire the cheapest software engineers they can find so Tim Cook can have a 900-foot yacht.

Anyway, does anyone here have an idea why on eath Premiere would play back only the sound track super-slowly, even though it's linked to a video file that plays back accurately???

Cheers

Averdahl
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Community Expert
July 7, 2020

If you have a Windows computer (with FireWire...) i would try to download and use the free ScenalyzerLive! to capture those tapes. The capture tool in Premiere Pro do have issues sometimes and i am impressed that you have managed to capture 96 tapes without too many issues.

 

For DV captures i uses ScenalyzerLive! for years and started to use it because of odd issues in Premiere Pro´s native capture tool.

HarrySHF
HarrySHFAuthor
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July 7, 2020

Hi Averdahl, thanks for the reply. I'm Windows-illiterate, but had considered simply using Quicktime Player for those three tapes.

The newer issue in my second post (freezing, quitting) is pretty frustrating.  I made a copy of the project and it seems to have settled down for the moment.

I'll try Quicktime and report back.

Cheers

HarrySHF
HarrySHFAuthor
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July 7, 2020

Now I started a new project to save some BTS tapes, and the same thing is happening. But now it's making Premiere hang up and crash. Lots of force-quitting. Thank god I'm not an editor by trade. Though if I were I suppose I'd be on Avid anyway... c'mon Adobe. $20 per month from millions and millions of us and you can't get it right???

H.

Community Expert
July 7, 2020

My guess is the tapes that you’re having problems with are damaged or slightly deteriorated. Any technical problems with the footage can prevent a successful capture.

HarrySHF
HarrySHFAuthor
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July 7, 2020

Interestingly they play back on the deck no problem. No visible dropouts or artifacts.

Seems to me Adobe could have spent $63.50 in software development costs and incorporated some error correction...

Cheers