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k9karis0
Inspiring
January 9, 2018
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Timeline choking on 4k playback

  • January 9, 2018
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Ever since the update, I haven't been able to play back any 4k footage in the timeline without significant lag. The audio plays back smooth, while the video is several frames behind and choppy. Working with FS7 and A7Sii footage.

When I restart the program, I can play multiple tracks of 4k footage back with no issues for 5 to 10 minutes before unworkable lag kicks in.

I'm on a slightly older machine, Late 2012, 27 inch iMac. 3.4ghz i7, 24g RAM. I had zero issue with this same footage pre-update.

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Correct answer R Neil Haugen

With the changes of new tools and code in the newest version, on some computers 2018 takes more resources. I think every new build  version of the app since CS6 (the first version I used) this has been the case. And it affects some users more than others, depending on their gear, media, and typical work practices and effects used.

"Slightly" older isn't how I'd describe a six year old computer used for heavy work like video editing. But then, that's only opinion ...

The media you're using is nasty stuff for editing ... that A7Sii for example is most surely long-GOP 4k, which hammers the CPU and cores/threads/RAM for the incredible amount of de-encoding/de-compressing required per frame. If you have multiple tracks of that plus FS7 going, you're working the CPU and RAM pretty hard. Which sounds exactly like the situation you describe.

A couple options can work ... first is to transcode the A7Sii media to a digital-intermediate quality Cineform or DNxHR prior to importing, use those for editing, and dump them when the project is done to save space as you can always recreate them from the originals. You keep good quality and get a better editing process.

The next is to use the built-in Proxy media option within PrPro, and create Cineform proxies for your 4k media either on ingestion or from the Project bins themselves. Then use the + icon on the far right of the Program monitor to see the rest of the controls available, and drag the Toggle Proxies icon to your control block.

With the proxies available, click that to toggle it on (blue), and you can play back with the proxies. Toggle it off (gray) and you can see the original media.

Neil

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Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
January 9, 2018

K9Karis0,

Ever since the update, I haven't been able to play back any 4k footage in the timeline without significant lag. .

Great advice from Neil. However, is this an updated CC2017 project? If so, try out the performance in a brand new CC2018 project. How does that work?

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
R Neil Haugen
R Neil HaugenCorrect answer
Legend
January 9, 2018

With the changes of new tools and code in the newest version, on some computers 2018 takes more resources. I think every new build  version of the app since CS6 (the first version I used) this has been the case. And it affects some users more than others, depending on their gear, media, and typical work practices and effects used.

"Slightly" older isn't how I'd describe a six year old computer used for heavy work like video editing. But then, that's only opinion ...

The media you're using is nasty stuff for editing ... that A7Sii for example is most surely long-GOP 4k, which hammers the CPU and cores/threads/RAM for the incredible amount of de-encoding/de-compressing required per frame. If you have multiple tracks of that plus FS7 going, you're working the CPU and RAM pretty hard. Which sounds exactly like the situation you describe.

A couple options can work ... first is to transcode the A7Sii media to a digital-intermediate quality Cineform or DNxHR prior to importing, use those for editing, and dump them when the project is done to save space as you can always recreate them from the originals. You keep good quality and get a better editing process.

The next is to use the built-in Proxy media option within PrPro, and create Cineform proxies for your 4k media either on ingestion or from the Project bins themselves. Then use the + icon on the far right of the Program monitor to see the rest of the controls available, and drag the Toggle Proxies icon to your control block.

With the proxies available, click that to toggle it on (blue), and you can play back with the proxies. Toggle it off (gray) and you can see the original media.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
k9karis0
k9karis0Author
Inspiring
January 9, 2018

Thanks Neil, I appreciate the reply. Yes, I know my machine is old haha, but I have been working with this same footage/workflow for 18 months and never had a problem until this update. Now I'm quickly filled with rage trying to edit.

I looked into proxies before beginning this edit, but found some reason that it wouldn't work for me specifically. I think it was because there's two of us editing this, we each have a copy of the media and we share project files. Pretty sure you can't also share proxies?

Anyways, this project is about 18TB's of media and we're a month into the edit so it may be too late to use proxies at all. 

Is there a way to optimize the program to run smoother? Or am I really just looking at an equipment upgrade?

R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 9, 2018

With that older beast, you can try things ... but quite likely it really just needs to be allowed to retire.

It's part of the cost of doing professional editing, you have to keep your gear up. I HATE transferring all my old documents & email files & such to a new computer, setting up the programs AGAIN ... all that stuff. But every year & a half, or so ... it's time. On a PC, there's more options to upgrade keeping some/most of the previous gear at least, so it's nowhere near as spendy as on the Mac side. More options and more power for the price.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...