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March 8, 2010
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FM/RoboHelp Integration

  • March 8, 2010
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We have FM 9 and we're looking to buy RoboHelp 8.  From what I'm reading here, it doesn't sound they are integrated.  I

am expecting what I saw in the RoboHelp for FrameMaker demo at the Baltimore STC conference, where

my changes in FrameMaker are automatically picked up in RoboHelp.

Is this the case or do you need to import FM into RoboHelp every time there is a change?  FYI, the sales person couldn't answer this question.

Thanks.

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pinu2Author
Participating Frequently
March 10, 2010

Thanks, RJ.  I'll take this offline and send you an e-mail today.

Ted

pinu2Author
Participating Frequently
March 9, 2010

Thanks for the information.  What I saw was actually "RoboHelp for FrameMaker" at the 2004 Baltimore STC conference.  It was a Macromedia offering before the Adobe takeover, and long before the Tech Comm Suite.  We tried to order it about eight months later and it was already discontinued.

I still have the trial CD and it worked very well - much like using RoboHelp with Word.

We were hoping to come back to RoboHelp from Flare, but we won't do it if RoboHelp still isn't integrated with FrameMaker almost six years later.  We already have FrameMaker 9, Acrobat 9 Pro, and CS3 (Photoshop, etc.), so we really don't want to overpay for RoboHelp just to get the Suite.

This is very disappointing, to say the least.

Matt-Tech Comm Tools
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Community Expert
March 9, 2010

To follow up on what Art wrote, I've long observed that most overpay for Adobe software, as they have the opportunity to purchase a maintenance contract at the time of initial purchase.

While I agree that Adobe doesn't exactly make this option front-page news, I wrote about it at http://blogs.roundpeg.com/2009/12/strategies-for-purchasing-adobe-software/

I believe my maintenance on TCS2 is currently around $260/year, given Adobe's traditional 18 month product cycle, that's far less than the current $949 upgrade price.

-Matt


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pinu2Author
Participating Frequently
March 9, 2010

Actually, that's rather presumptuous to assume my company was too cheap to buy the suite.  We have been Adobe users long before the suites came out.  And, yes, we have had the maintenance agreements, so we have been upgrading regularly.

We started using FrameMaker 4, Acrobat Pro (Exchange), and Robohelp (from Blue Sky Software) in the mid 90s.  We have faithfully upgraded FM and Acrobat all along.  In fact, we used Acrobat to upgrade to Creative Suite when it came out, so we already have a good portion of the Tech Comm Suite.

The disconnect came in 2005.  As I stated previously, I saw RoboHelp for FrameMaker at the 2004 STC conference.  When we were due to upgrade RoboHelp in early 2005, I received approval to buy RoboHelp for FrameMaker.  Much to my dismay, Macromedia told me that RoboHelp for FrameMaker had been discontinued.

I then put together a quote for RoboHelp X5 Enterprise version, only to have Adobe and Macromedia merge (buyout, whatever) and announce they were discontinuing RoboHelp.  Imagine trying to justify spending several thousand dollars on the second version of RoboHelp to be discontinued within a few short months of each other.  Plus, now RoboHelp was at a third company.

At that point, my purchase order was rescinded, and I was told to search for other options.  Since I knew Mike from his RoboHelp days, it appeared that Flare was the best option at the time, so we moved to Flare.

Now, we are considering moving back to RoboHelp, but I'm disillusioned that it still isn't integrated six years after Macromedia proved this could be done with a standalone version.  Also, it's hard to justify a second suite, when we already have a suite and basically have everything except RoboHelp from the Tech Comm Suite.  Plus, there's the baggage of explaining to my executives that, yes, this is the same product the company said they were discontinuing five years ago.  And now I have to compound that with trying to explain to executives who do not use the software that, no, RoboHelp standalone is different than RoboHelp in a suite.

Adobe certainly isn't making a switch back easier, especially when we are also evaluating AuthorIt and MadPak.  We've gone through a pre-sales person and a salesperson, who eventually shifted us back to the reseller we have been using.  Also, the reps were not able to tell me whether or not RoboHelp was integrated in the standalone version - so you can add poor customer service to the mix.

Needless to say, this has been rather exasperating. 

Matt-Tech Comm Tools
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 8, 2010

To follow on the 2 previous correct entries, you can download the

entire TCS2 suite to demo, but you'd better plan on doing it overnight or

over a weekend. (13Gb, if I remember correctly)

-Matt Sullivan, FrameMaker Course Creator, Author, Trainer, Consultant
Inspiring
March 8, 2010

I suspect what you saw was TCS2, which has some additional integration code.

However, most of the time, for most people in most situations, things work pretty well.

What you usually see in the forums are the corner cases and problems.

May want to ask in the TCS User's Group... http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users?hl=en.

Burtin
Inspiring
March 8, 2010

Hello, Art.

The independent (or "point") versions of FM and RH are not integrated. In order to get the functionality you saw in the demo you mentioned, you will need to upgrade to the full Adobe Technical Communication Suite, currently at version 2 (FM 9.0p250 and RH 8.0.2.208).

Best regards,

Burtin Hart