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Jul 25, 2007
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I'm trying to address some accessibility issues and need to
figure out how to edit the "master" framesets that RH x5 uses to
generate webhelp. I assume there are masters somewhere (probably in
XML files) but I can't figure out where they live. I'd rather edit
the master once so the changes will apply to all webhelp files
generated from RH.
I'm using 508-compliant output, so there is no skin to apply.
I'm using 508-compliant output, so there is no skin to apply.
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Jul 27, 2007
Jul 27, 2007
Thanks--I'll try out these suggestions and I'll look around
for FAR.

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I'd love to help you with this but have so far been unable to
find anything that does this. I know you're not using a skin but
even RoboWizard's skinny on skins does not show how to change the
names etc of the Mini tool bar etc. I'll watch this thread with
interest.
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Aaron,
Can you give an example or two of what kind of editing you want to do? Size and shape? labels? colors? Adding elements?
Harvey
Can you give an example or two of what kind of editing you want to do? Size and shape? labels? colors? Adding elements?
Harvey
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A few things:
* Change the ALT text for the closed book and open book icons in the Contents pane
* Change the title attributes of the various frames
* Change the embedded styles in the navbar html file
The first two are to address screenreader issues; Robohelp produces frames with titles like "Navigation Frame" and the screenreader adds the word "frame" when it interprets frames: thus, it reads "Navigation Frame Frame," etc. The third is to tweak contrast in the navbar.
I can find all these in the GENERATED files, but we don't want to fix every project we generate--it makes more sense to change the "masters" (if they exist) so the changes propagate across all projects as we generate them.
* Change the ALT text for the closed book and open book icons in the Contents pane
* Change the title attributes of the various frames
* Change the embedded styles in the navbar html file
The first two are to address screenreader issues; Robohelp produces frames with titles like "Navigation Frame" and the screenreader adds the word "frame" when it interprets frames: thus, it reads "Navigation Frame Frame," etc. The third is to tweak contrast in the navbar.
I can find all these in the GENERATED files, but we don't want to fix every project we generate--it makes more sense to change the "masters" (if they exist) so the changes propagate across all projects as we generate them.
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Aaron,
So you don't want to see (or hear the screen reader say),
icon: open book
icon: closed book
icon: page
switch to Navigation Pane Index tab
switch to .... etc. tab
Navigation Pane Index tab is active
. . . . (other) pane is active
As you mentioned, these popup tags are in a handful of output files in the whgdata folder. Whether it's more trouble to fix the output every time, or to alter some basic RH files, I'll leave up to you.
For my money, that wonderful little utility called FAR can make quick work of this chore. In fact, I used FAR to research this issue.
OK, I too am in favor of eliminating any repetitive chore.
The source is in the file HtmSingleSourceWebHelp.dll in the RoboHTML program folder. I have no idea how to edit a .dll file and have it remain a valid .dll file type, but perhaps you do.
You'll find attributes for the pane -- font, size, color, background color, etc. -- somewhere in
...\RoboHTML\WebHelp5Ext\template_stock\.
I found some js and xml files that structure the display, but didn't have time to track down where they pick up the values to plug in by default.
Happy hunting.
Harvey
So you don't want to see (or hear the screen reader say),
icon: open book
icon: closed book
icon: page
switch to Navigation Pane Index tab
switch to .... etc. tab
Navigation Pane Index tab is active
. . . . (other) pane is active
As you mentioned, these popup tags are in a handful of output files in the whgdata folder. Whether it's more trouble to fix the output every time, or to alter some basic RH files, I'll leave up to you.
For my money, that wonderful little utility called FAR can make quick work of this chore. In fact, I used FAR to research this issue.
OK, I too am in favor of eliminating any repetitive chore.
The source is in the file HtmSingleSourceWebHelp.dll in the RoboHTML program folder. I have no idea how to edit a .dll file and have it remain a valid .dll file type, but perhaps you do.
You'll find attributes for the pane -- font, size, color, background color, etc. -- somewhere in
...\RoboHTML\WebHelp5Ext\template_stock\.
I found some js and xml files that structure the display, but didn't have time to track down where they pick up the values to plug in by default.
Happy hunting.
Harvey
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I can't remember where I found it (skinny on skins I think)
but I got rid of the alt text for the books etc by changing the
.lng file.
I still can't find a way of changing the frame names where RoboHelp doesn't just put them back when you generate.
I still can't find a way of changing the frame names where RoboHelp doesn't just put them back when you generate.
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Thanks--I'll try out these suggestions and I'll look around
for FAR.
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Aaron,
"Navigation Frame frame" and "Topic Frame drame" have origins in
whd_home.htm and
whd_nvp10.htm
again, in the RoboHTML program file.
H
"Navigation Frame frame" and "Topic Frame drame" have origins in
whd_home.htm and
whd_nvp10.htm
again, in the RoboHTML program file.
H
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