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Rejected by "Image does not meet requirements". Why?! Shutterstock approved this image!

Community Beginner ,
Apr 09, 2023 Apr 09, 2023

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Hello people! I have two rejects on quality. Then fixed some detail...And in third

case i have reject as "Image does not meet requirements" (translate from

russian). Can someone explain this reason to me exactly?!

Thank you for opinion.

P.S. My image name is "A nude girl in red bikini lies on

the grass and reads a book.The legs of some women are

visible from behind. The art of being free and combining

the useful with the pleasant."  Look in my attachment file.

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Community Expert , Apr 09, 2023 Apr 09, 2023

I suspect that it does not meet Adobe's definition of " nudity with artistic value". It does seem that you took this image surreptitiously.  I would not define this as having artistic value. 

From this Help page: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/submission-guidelines.html

Follow the rules on nudity. 

For submissions containing nudity that has artistic value, the model must be at least 18 years old and the model release must include the model's photo ID so we can verify age. Never s

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Participant , Apr 09, 2023 Apr 09, 2023

Hello!

Reason of rejection - impolite, indecent photo that humilitates the model. Angle of view - it looks like photographer was hiding, stalking and shooting people without their permission. 

Shutterstock is not a criterion. Adobe and Shutterstock are two different companies with different standarts. 

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Community Expert , Apr 10, 2023 Apr 10, 2023

Hi @names58321676 ,

For the reviewers it's a matter of if the files are to be accepted or not. Their job is not to find the faults of our files and inform us to correct them to resubmit. That would be the case if it was a training exercise. As far as they are concerned you should check to ensure your files are of acceptable quality. It is possible that each time you submit the file it goes to a different person, in which case you get different reactions. Once the reviewer sees a reason for rejec

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I suspect that it does not meet Adobe's definition of " nudity with artistic value". It does seem that you took this image surreptitiously.  I would not define this as having artistic value. 

From this Help page: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/submission-guidelines.html

Follow the rules on nudity. 

For submissions containing nudity that has artistic value, the model must be at least 18 years old and the model release must include the model's photo ID so we can verify age. Never submit any sexually explicit, pornographic, or immoral material, including material that sexualizes minors. 

Jill C., Forum Volunteer

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Community Beginner ,
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Look! Why my image was not rejected by this reason in first time, in second time? I spent time on fixed some technical details and can spent it on other image. Could you send message to adobestock and tell him if reason of reject this image in not in quality why they reject this image on third time but not in first?! My English poor but i think you understand me.

P.S. I made many images surreptitiously and some of them already sold and in adobestock too!

Thank you for answer! I understand you opinion.

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Community Expert ,
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There is no avenue for you to dispute the findings of the Moderators. Their decision is final, and the image will be rejected based in the first issue they notice, though there might be multiple issues. If you keep uploading the same image repeatedly hoping for a different decision, you can be considered to be spamming, and your account might be locked for further uploads. 

In my opinion, shooting such an image surreptitiously then attempting to make money from it is in poor taste. Anyway, Adobe requires a model release for nudity, and if you didn't know the woman and get a model release it won't be accepted.

Jill C., Forum Volunteer

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I have no intention of disputing the images moderators. I have intentions to make it clear moderators to make changes to the process image verification so that contributors don't wasting their time, which they could have

spend on processing another image. In this context, I think that one should first evaluate images in terms of a given reasons for failure, and then in terms of quality...About surreptitiously.

I took photos in the style of "passing by" and I didn’t specifically monitor naked ladies. I photographed in a permitted location. The girl lies on the grass not in her summer cottage, but in a public place. And if she shows her "charms", then she should be ready for the fact that her can take pictures. If she's not ready for it,

then she must cover them with clothes or choose another pose! I repeat that I did not come to visit her

to the dacha in order to secretly photograph her! .. and to I also did not climb a tree for these purposes.

....I understand your position...and if moderators read this forum i ask to him make change to robots algorithms...i wrote about this earlier. Then contributors will have more time to change other images.

P.S.I won't be around for a day. Thanks everyone for the replies!

 

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Community Expert ,
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You are mistaken on several assumptions. Let me first state the obvious:

  • Adobe's turf, Adobe's rules. If Shutterstock accepts this image, that does not mean, that Adobe needs to accept. So, that has never been a good argument to bring up here, especially in subject/header.
  • The picture probably needs a model release. I wonder why Shutterstock did not ask for this. I have pictures refused by Shutterstock, where they asked for a model release for people walking up a way, photographed from behind.
  • Adobe moderators refuse on the first issue they detect. There is no guarantee that there aren't other issues in with the picture. This is for efficiency. The first moderation is always done on the terms of quality, as that is the easiest to detect/decide upon. It is not said that the same person checking the quality is also the one checking other requirements.
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    The girl lies on the grass not in her summer cottage, but in a public place. And if she shows her "charms", then she should be ready for the fact that her can take pictures. If she's not ready for it,

    then she must cover them with clothes or choose another pose!


    By @names58321676
    This is incorrect. You simply can't photograph people without they're giving their approval. For private pictures, there is a certain grey zone, but the girl cannot expect to see her “charms” as you call it, on a billboard or in a magazine. The young lady can expect to get some gazes, but she should not expect to be pictured as you did it. Using a different angle would have made this picture less inappropriate.
  • Even if she has an exhibitionistic tendency, she has a right to know that you are taking pictures of her. Even then, the pictures should stay private, except if you have a written authorization.
  • Moderation is not done to pleasure contributors, but to protect buyers. There are no “robot algorithms”. But moderators chose between several predefined refusal reasons. The text is always the same.
  • I have never seen a moderator participating here on the fora. They simply don't get paid for that. I even doubt that they read the fora.

 

On a personal note, and really on a personal note, I would have sorted a picture like this out if I had taken it accidentally. That may happen, when the model moves to take on a different position when I take my picture.

 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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Community Beginner ,
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...The picture probably needs a model release. I wonder why Shutterstock did not ask for this....

At the end of the conversation, I note that Shutter accepted this image under an editorial license.

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The girl lies on the grass not in her summer cottage, but in a public place. And if she shows her "charms", then she should be ready for the fact that her can take pictures. If she's not ready for it,

then she must cover them with clothes or choose another pose!


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Oh spare us the lecture on decency.  It's insulting.  Only a pervert would think to photograph a woman's private parts without her permission and then try to sell it commercially. That's criminal activity in many parts of the world.

 

Peeping or Voyeurism isn't funny.  It violates privacy laws and could easily land you in jail and hurt you financially.  I fear you're either clueless, classless or too immature to take pictures of people.  Find another hobby.

 

 

 

 

Nancy O'Shea— Product User, Community Expert & Moderator
Alt-Web Design & Publishing ~ Web : Print : Graphics : Media

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Oh spare us the lecture on decency.  It's insulting.  Only a pervert would think to photograph a woman's private parts without her permission and then try to sell it commercially.


By @Nancy OShea

OP does typical victim shaming. It is not for nothing that in the last years, laws emerged, that make such photos illegal. I think that Shutterstock did not make itself a favour for accepting this.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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I'm clarifying. This photo was taken a long time ago in the city park, not on the beach.

At the end of the conversation, I advise you not to get personal and be more tolerant, and also see in each image is not low, but high. Take an example from your colleague ( jacquelingphoto2017). That's what she says...I am looking at your photo as an art

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Hello!

Reason of rejection - impolite, indecent photo that humilitates the model. Angle of view - it looks like photographer was hiding, stalking and shooting people without their permission. 

Shutterstock is not a criterion. Adobe and Shutterstock are two different companies with different standarts. 

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...Angle of view - it looks like photographer was hiding, stalking....

At the end of the conversation, I will say this ... Dear Explorer. Do not draw conclusions about other people from yourself or your close circle.

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Hi @names58321676 ,

For the reviewers it's a matter of if the files are to be accepted or not. Their job is not to find the faults of our files and inform us to correct them to resubmit. That would be the case if it was a training exercise. As far as they are concerned you should check to ensure your files are of acceptable quality. It is possible that each time you submit the file it goes to a different person, in which case you get different reactions. Once the reviewer sees a reason for rejection he'll look no further, because there's no reason to look further. The decision is made not to accept.

 

With that said, I require some clarification. Did the rejection caption said "Image does not meet requirements"? If it did it means the moderator that got your file on the third occasion is of the opinion that the potential for sale of that image is not good. The previous reviewer might have a different opinion about the file.

I do not think the pose is an issue for the decision. Nude images are accepted and place into Safe search on Adobe. There is nothing to prove that this was surreptitiously done. Therefore I will not argue that. It's either you have a signed model release or you don't. If you don't it will not be accepted by Adobe. I believe the image would be of a better composition or value if her face was visible or more of the book was showing. As it is the focus is on her crotch and everything else falls in the background.

Best wishes

Jacquelin

 

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I believe the image would be of a better composition or value if her face was visible or more of the book was showing. As it is the focus is on her crotch and everything else falls in the background.


By @jacquelingphoto2017

I think, the refusal reason is “Non-compliant Image”. And your description is undoubtedly why it's non-compliant.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

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...With that said, I require some clarification. Did the rejection caption said "Image does not meet

requirements"?...

Automatic translation of the reason for refusal from Russian
like this: Thank you for the opportunity to view your image. Unfortunately, we have found that it does not meet our requirements, so we cannot accept it for our collection. For information about the type of work we
looking for, visit this page: https://www.adobe.com/go/stock-contributor-help_ru

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Hi @names58321676 ,

Thank you for that reply. I am more interested about the caption. The caption states what the file was rejected for. The caption states the reason why the file does not meet Adobe requirements. Can you please say what the caption (heading) said?

Regards

Jacquelin

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The image does not meet the requirements...automatic translation from Russian

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@names58321676 ,

Thank for that reply. That means the moderator believes it would not sell in the Adobe marketplace. I believe it is because of the composition. In the future include more of the subject.

Best wishes

Jacquelin

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... I believe the image would be of a better composition or value if her face was visible or more of the book was showing...

I repeat...My image name is "A nude girl in red bikini lies on the grass and reads a book.The legs of some women are
visible from behind. The art of being free and combining the useful with the pleasant....

The point is not to focus on sexual characteristics of the girl. Otherwise I would have done framing 1:1. Pay attention to the background. And read the title of the photo again .... the thought was that manufacturers could buy such a photo
epilators, sunscreen, in a pinch, booksellers, but then, you're right, the angle should be different.

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Hi @names58321676 ,

I am not questioning the sexuality or why you take it from that angle. I am steering away from that. If I am buying an image, I don't care why you take it. My only concern is if it suits my project. I am looking at your photo as an art and still believe it is not well composed. You should not have to tell me it's a nude girl; I should see that. 

Best wishes

Jacquelin

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...You should not have to tell me it's a nude girl; I should see that. ...In the title of the image, I emphasize this. I don't know how Adobe algorithms work. Therefore, everyone who searches for nude can find this photo.... As for I should see that, then from this point of view (search by image, not by words, this is practiced on Shutter), instead of a book, there should have been an epilator, and the lady's legs were supposed to shine from the cream... I took into account your observation! However, I would like you to understand my concept ... I spoke about it earlier

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Hi @names58321676 ,

The composition is not good.

Best wishes

Jacquelin

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Thanks for your comprehensive opinions

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...As it is the focus is on her crotch and everything else falls in the background....I have a large...diaphragm, but not so large that I only focus on the crotch...In focus zone are face, but it is closed a hand. I have a question to you. If i would blurred the head can i send this image without model release? Will moderators accept this image? How do you think?

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Poor composition. Bad camera angle, unflattering to the female form and a bit tawdry.  IMO, it's unfit for commercial use.

 

 

 

 

 

Nancy O'Shea— Product User, Community Expert & Moderator
Alt-Web Design & Publishing ~ Web : Print : Graphics : Media

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