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Mac Pro vs. pc

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February 12, 2017
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my perception is mac is abandoning their loyal pro market to phone and laptop profits. Mac Pro not improved in some time and seeems difficult if not impossible to upgrade. Thinking of making switch to PC for photoshop. Any thoughts or comment?

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Mo Moolla

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Ooooh is that a Macbook I see in the "Into the Spider Verse" movie? Or perhaps a Dell or HP Mac "look-a-like" lol. Which brings me to this point. How come most pc i.e. machines that run windows hehe have all tried to copy the look, color and feel of a MacBook Pro yet I am yet to see a Dell look-a-like from Apple running Mac OS... Sorry I couldn't resist R Neil Haugen

R Neil Haugen

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Apple does design for the exterior of their devices quite nicely. Form over function at times, sadly ... or at least, at the cost of user choices/changes.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Kat Gilbert

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Have stayed away from this controversy BUT---- if you are a PC person buy a PC, if you are a Mac person buy a Mac....

Both have their pros and cons! There is NO PERFCT fit!

gener7

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Of course in the end, people outside this area of interest are not going to ask you what you use, they want to see what you do.

Mo Moolla

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@kat Gilbert gener7 I can't agree enough with what you both said. Well put and fully agreed. As I said a while back "To each his own"

Mo Moolla

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Yes a Mac is a computer. Yes the parts are all sourced form similar suppliers. Yes a pc running windows can outrun a Mac if u spend money modding it. Yes yes yes to all this. But its the elegance of a Mac and its OS that makes it a pleasure to use. Windows is a terrible operating system and the only few they ever got right was XP and Win7. Yes Apple also had a few black sheep but the difference is they then do their best to better it while Microsoft releases Win 10 and mucks its all up lol. Which in turns makes using a plasticky Dell feel even more plasticky. Oh you Windows fan boys...u make me snigger hehe. I am now going to keep quiet hahaha

D Fosse

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Dell? Who's talking about Dell? The big misunderstanding here is that the Windows platform works the same way as Mac.

Most serious Windows users custom build their machines from hand-picked components. It's not an off-the-shelf package, that's not how it works.

Why would I care if someone makes a cheap plastic laptop? That's their problem, nothing to do with me.

jane-e

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse wrote
Most serious Windows users custom build their machines from hand-picked components. It's not an off-the-shelf package, that's not how it works.

I agree. My dad never had a computer he didn't build himself and he started using computers in the 1960s. Never, that is, until he switched to a Mac in 2004. He's 93 now.

Mo Moolla

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This is a discussion that could go on for eons. I will humbly bow out before it becomes an argument lol

Trevor.Dennis

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Inet+Media wrote
This is a discussion that could go on for eons. I will humbly bow out before it becomes an argument lol

Just a thought, but your argument about comparative hardware is a bit odd. When we say PC, I guess we mean the Windows operating system. Regards 'PC' hardware, there are so many companies using so many permutations, some of which likely crosses over with Mac hardware (but not any PC built in the last five years ).

You mention aluminium framed cases. I wonder who makes those cases for Apple, and if they supply other brands? You will certainly find a huge range if you Google aluminium computer case. Will the next gen Mac Pro still use Xeon CPUs? I'm thinking that the low clock speeds of Xeon CPUs is a factor in the low temperatures. A computer PSU is only going to produce heat commensurate with the demand on it, and 1100W does sound like it has enough overhead for most demands. FWIIW, I have a Corsair 1200W Platinum PSU in my i9-7900X system, but I don't know if there is a way to see the drain on it from within Windows 10. Seven of the drives shown below are external USB3, and to save the hassle and untidiness of using their individual PSUs, I have them in a cooled enclosure powered via the main computer CPU. I will put my hand up and admit that the CPU can get hot. At the moment I limit it to 4.2Ghz which keeps temperatures reasonable. Letting it OC to 4.4Ghz makes it quickly reach 90°C with heavily threaded apps like Handbrake.

For me, you won't do better than use Pugeot System's extensive test articles when researching hardware for content creation. I wish I knew Mac hardware well enough to search through for a parallel, but I am not sure they archive their articles back that far. (I'm sorry, but there is a law that we have to give Mac users a hard time).

https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

Speaking of Puget Systems testing, I have been holding on the the GTX 970 in my system while waiting for the RTX 2080Ti GPUs, but I am wondering if it is worth the cost of the GPU for the smaller than expected gain in performance. Will there be an option for the level of CPU with a Mac Pro, or are they going to play safe with Quadro GPUs?

jane-e

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Trevor.Dennis wrote
I wish I knew Mac hardware well enough to search through for a parallel, but I am not sure they archive their articles back that far. (I'm sorry, but there is a law that we have to give Mac users a hard time).

Trevor, I am pretty sure that law was copied from the one that says we have to give PC users a hard time. It started about the time Bill Gates copied the Mac operating system, called it Windows, and put it onto MS DOS computers.

(I’m also pretty sure that there’s a law that when Windows users named Trevor.Dennis give Mac users a hard time, we have to speak up for ourselves!)

Ussnorway7605025

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resistance is futile

gener7

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So he might have ordered Genuine Apple used OEM batteries, not counterfeits and CBP robbed him by seizing them?

He might just want to eat that loss.

Apple does not authorize any third party to make OEM batteries for sale on the open market.

I understand there are a great many reasons to not like Apple, but this is not one.

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iTonks

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I can't believe this type of argument is still a thing and that many designers currently still think that MAcOS is more advanced than Windows. I've used both OS at the same time for 5+ years and with no issues moving files from one machine to the other. Only a few font issues that were easy to solve. Now I fully use just PCs. One that I built myself and an Origin PC laptop. My assistant works with a Mac and we have no issue working with the same files. These computers are just tools to get the job done. Apple computers are no longer what they used to be and I haven't run any antivirus on my PC for 3 years both of my two machines are clean. The only OS that is superior to both is Linux and Adobe don't make their apps available for it so yeah. It's 2018.

Plus, I'm a PC gamer and I do 3D work as a hobby. No Macs for me. Now if we were discussing tablets then I would give the edge hands down to ipad pro. Now that's quite a device. The only worthy product from Apple currently.

D Fosse

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I still find this whole discussion pointless. It's not about Mac vs Windows.

Do you have a well maintained system with enough resources and components that are balanced to work together?

That's all that matters - although I'd particularly like to stress the first of these points. There's always lots of opinions from people whose systems don't meet those standards, especially the first one, in both camps.

Ussnorway7605025

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Adobe goes out of their way to make for Mac... most the dev staff are users with no clue about Windows

I do have to agree it still makes more sence to install Adobe on the Windows if you have both systems

Just Shoot Me

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I find this ridiculous. If Mac's Just Worked there wouldn't be millions of posts over at the Apple Mac forums.

If Mac computers used better hardware there wouldn't be an appointment system to take you Mac in to get it fixed. On that note there wouldn't be any Genius bars in Apple stores so someone could look at your broken Mac, or Apple stores at all.

Apple makes Throw Away products. Buy if for more money than any other like product. Use it for X amount of time then when something goes wrong with it take it in to get it fixed and be told it is to old, it will cost almost as much as a new Mac and have no warranty.

And lets not start with OS X that if upgraded the software you used for the last 4-5 years no longer works. That is IF your model Mac, that might only be 4 years old, can be upgraded.

Trevor.Dennis

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me wrote
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Apple makes Throw Away products.
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If we are including phones in that statement, then there can be little doubt of the truth of it. It's not long since we saw the IOS update that slowed things down in the interest of failing batteries. Between iTunes and IOS updates, my 5s became ever more problematic to the point it was no longer usable. I'd already had to pay to have a new lightning port fitted, and if I'd had a new battery at the same time, I wouldn't need a no choice slow down to preserve battery life. Heck we didn't even know it was happening until some bright spark worked it out.

OK, I like the 8 Plus I felt forced into buying, but the 5S really wasn't that old, and all I do is listen to audio books on the thing, which the 5S did just fine — least ways it did until yet another IOS update killed the poor thing. Apple is a machine to make money. End of.

Trevor.Dennis

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Trevor.Dennis wrote
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me   wrote
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Apple makes Throw Away products.
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If we are including phones in that statement, then there can be little doubt of the truth of it. It's not long since we saw the IOS update that slowed things down in the interest of failing batteries. Between iTunes and IOS updates, my 5s became ever more problematic to the point it was no longer usable. I'd already had to pay to have a new lightning port fitted, and if I'd had a new battery at the same time, I wouldn't need a no choice slow down to preserve battery life. Heck we didn't even know it was happening until some bright spark worked it out.
OK, I like the 8 Plus I felt forced into buying, but the 5S really wasn't that old, and all I do is listen to audio books on the thing, which the 5S did just fine — least ways it did until yet another IOS update killed the poor thing.   Apple is a machine to make money. End of.

Continuing with the iPhone theme, it appears now that replacement iPhone do not work properly with IOS11.1 and later. So try not to drop your iPhones guys.

Replacement iPhone screens don't work properly with iOS 11.1 and later - TechSpot

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sajjadh26224239

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I just stumbled upon this post while searching for an answer to this historical argument "MAC or PC". So I thought it would be better to share my experience and opinion which might help someone, who knows...

So, for background, I'm hard core PC user and never even bought any apple product be it mobile or computers... (Except once old second hand laptop Powerbook that died very very fast without even doing any serious job) and been assembling my own PCs with little help from professionals since ages... and I would say since the times when there was no Plug & Play term was known... I use to manually install hardware using switch settings on motherboard and specified hardware... So I'm that hardcore PC user...

But on the second note, In my 20 years of professional career, I've been using only MACs which have been a must in advertising agencies.... and recently I own an iMAC Pro which is almost 6000 dollars right now... because I work from graphics design to animation and everything around it...

So with above two paragraphs I tried to establish the understanding that I know what I'm saying and I take total responsibility... and I'm not biased to one or another... its just my opinion that is built based on personal experience with both plateforms after years of usage...

When it comes to specs, PCs are far better where you can find highest specs at very reasonable price... I must say 6000 Dollars for iMacPro can actually bring you 3 times higher specs on PC with may be not just one machine but two or three machines that combined can beat the hell out of stupid iMac Pro... but this is only based on specs... The strength of MAC is actually not in its specs but in its ecosystem... that includes complete synergy between Hardware and Software... and this is where PCs are beaten. As being OS is developed by one company and hardwares by another and as OS windows is not as smooth as Apple OS, so this is very first and important strength that MACs have, then its the hardware, and usually no matter if you have high specification on PC, if they are not compatible to each other you turn out to have a conflicting machine where GPU is making issues with memory or other issues which translates into bad performance, lags or blue screens and so on... but in MACs case because the hardware and software is built by Apple or specifically for them (by third party) so the possibility of smooth performance is obvious... and this is exactly where the magic lies... even thou I know there is huge number of stupid Apple fan boys who just use there products because it turns out to be a status symbol for them... other than that they have no idea about why they are using it...

I've been trying to finish of some freelance jobs like always on my Home PC... which is good enough to play any latest game with high graphic settings, but when it comes to running Adobe apps... I end up having serious difficulty... in short the job that takes me 2 hours on my PC can easily take half hour on MAC... and in this even developers like Adobe or Maxon and so on are also keeping the MACs in mind... no matter if in benchmarking they give good results on PC but in practicality they run more smoother and reliably on MACs than PCs... So just for this reason I'm finally looking at some cheap bargain for iMAC previous generation... as it will be more than enough....

So in conclusion, my personal opinion is that no matter how versatile PCs are with all those amazing specs at quarter the price of MAC, yet I consider MACs purely / seriously working machines... and thats why no matter how much I hate Apple and there branding/pricing strategy and there absolute absence of innovation, I'll be buying Second hand iMAC 27 inch 5K so I can keep that only for WORK and rest of the joy will be full filled on PC, where all the fun begins...

With love to both MACs and PCs

cmgap

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I also use both platforms regularly... my work is on the mac though if for no other reason than Time Machine. The Windows platform can't beat the ease of use associated with picking where you left off when restoring from TM. There is no equivalent.

Ussnorway7605025

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cmgap wrote
There is no equivalent.

you may want to look into V-software

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