@Bob, thanks. And yeppers, if I needed to use ID CC for a job that paid even OK, I would do so. While I don't like the lack of a perpetual license, it wasn't my business decision to make. I also believe that Adobe handled the situation, the change, very poorly. But again, how it happened wasn't my decision. @Randy. Nah, there are not more options per se, there are fewer. Stop paying and no access. Whereas before, as long as the OS will run a perpetual license, one has unfettered access. Heck, I have a couple dozen Ventura files to finish converting and am running CVP10 on a Windows 10 computer. So unless Microsoft changes something my perpetual license CVP ... and my CS6 ... allows me to work on these projects without further payment. I would have gladly continued the 18-24 month upgrades as well. For either application, that is obviously not gonna happen. As for "universally accepted across the commercial industry," well, I don't know if you have worked in the large format industry, but 9/10 shops I have dealt with curse AI files universally. Same goes for its PDFs, but especially ID PDFs. Same goes in some other industries. "Non-Standard" is a joke. I have been producing, first, PostScript files for ripping and once PDFs became a thing, PDFs made from "Non-Standard" software since 1989. In the early 1990s I was producing 2-color Pantone gradients using a paper-white monitor that ripped just fine. Er, not made with Adobe software. It all can work just fine--the exception being what the client dictates. And if that is a CC version of ID, so be it. We've come full-circle to Bob's point: I'll just happily rent at that point. Otherwise I'll just keep using my "Non-Standard"software along with CS6 products. It's less outlay for me, and, unfortunately, less for Adobe as well. Mike
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