rowby wrote: There is no success guarantee!" Any thoughts about this approach? Indeed - I can guarantee no success! If you want to read a sensible explanation of why this won't ever work, then I can refer you to the old FAQ about this that used to be on this forum, but is now only available (like all of the rest) on AudioMasters. It's here. ... View more

Yet another extremely annoying thing about this stupid forum software is what happens if you go to 'my stuff'. If you reply to a message, and need to use the html editor, (which you absolutely do if you want to put links with sensible tags in), you'd expect to be able to switch back to 'normal' view afterwards. But it simply doesn't work. And trying to navigate back to where the discussions are is so ridiculously difficult that the only realistic way to do it is to go back to a page you've bookmarked. It's 'navigation' Jim - but not as we know it... (No I'm not a trekkie - it's just a useful quote you can reuse!) ... View more

► it actually turned out not too bad oy my system, ► the "echo" is just re-amplification & recording of certain wave lengths that happen to make it back to the mic, by reducing those signals it's less "tinny" or "echoey" ► if EQ is a useless tool why include it in AA? 1) Your system is clearly incapable of reproducing accurately what you are doing - or you can't hear it. 2) That is a complete non sequitur - you haven't reduced the relative amplitude of those signals at all. 3) I never said it was useless for all purposes - I only suggested that it's useless for this purpose. ► yes you can't "Unbake" a cake, but you can make a bad cake more paletable with a little bit of "bakers touch" ► sorry I tried to help 1) Once you've made a bad cake, nothing improves it - if the cooked ingredients taste bad, they stay that way. 2) You have to learn a few things about 'helping'. The very first one is to read what's already in the thread, and unless you have a very good reason for flatly contradicting what's there, then don't. And if you wish to contradict anything, then say precisely why. Otherwise, you are doing anything but helping. Other than that, read what Eric said. ... View more

Richard FDisk wrote: I deal with this all the time use the Graphic EQ you can't kill everything but a great deal can be removed just by adjusting the bands You clearly didn't read or understand my first post. You have killed nothing, and removed signal at the same rate as reverb - which makes it harder to hear the content and almost certainly makes things worse, not better. This is a complete waste of time. *update* I've now listened to what you did, and it conforms absolutely to what I just said - you've made the intelligability significantly worse, not better, and all the room sound is still there. THERE IS NO FIX FOR THIS. ... View more

AskMrScience wrote: For what it's worth, there are deconvolution techniques that are effective at echo removal, but they mostly apply to simple cases, such as telephony, where the echo is a simple time-delayed copy of the original signal. I've altered the reply above to say 'reverb' - as what's in the sample doesn't begin to qualify as an echo. It's what I meant to say in the first place, but it got overlooked in the reply process. ... View more

Yeah, we really should encourage people to post whatever they want to talk about/get help with there - I'm pretty sure that rather more people are looking, for a start - apart from all the other advantages. It's still good fun watching the read count on this thread though - and also worth keeping it near the top of the 'forum'... ... View more

Richard FDisk wrote: Editing text in this is a bit of a pain selecting doesn't function properly when attempting to select more than one line Try selecting with Shift + up or + down the selection blinks and the selection is released. so I'm reduced to selection of one line at a time What seems to work in terms of selecting text is to highlight it with the mouse, and then don't use the useless applet tools, but instead use the browser Edit tools instead - that works better. Sometimes moving text around in a quote gets screwed, and pasting within a block produces a quote within a quote, which is a PITA. Right-clicking on the bit in error produces a 'remove' option - and that doesn't actually remove what you pasted, but does appear to remove the extra code that turned it into a quote. Duh??? This is not a very well thought-out editor at all. I like the way the read count is going on this thread - great fun! ... View more

MusicConductor wrote: PS Am I the only user that has a hard time scrolling through a page with the middle mouse wheel, because the CPU load to simply scroll long pages like this is so high that it's sticky and stuttery?  This is on my state-of-the-art 8-core machine with zillions of bytes of RAM, etc., not my stupid slow home machine.  What were the programmers thinking?  Incredibly unnecessary. I don't have a lot of trouble making a page scroll - but actually accessing the site can take ages. It doesn't surprise me that things like scrolling are screwed, because it's all sitting under Jave control, so anything could happen - and often does... What's really tragic is that it looks like OzPeter has left too.  Now there's a real loss. There are a few things I could say about this, but since I already said to him that I wasn't going to say anything about it, I won't. Except that now it's pretty obvious that I knew, I suppose - but let's just say it's private. The reason that all the FAQs are now on AudioMasters is not entirely unrelated, though - draw your own conclusions. See ya'll on AudioMasters. ...where there is a lot more basic information available in the form of FAQs, plenty of scope for actually posting useful things like audio files, and generally we don't throw all the useful stuff away. And the post editor actually works... Because if you want a real  laugh, just try posting a message like this so that it looks like the old forum did, and with the bits quoted not in the posted order! If I had any hair left, I would have torn it all out a few minutes ago, believe me. The only way you can do it is by hacking the HTML (actually java) - this terminally stupid editor won't let you format things sensibly at all. ... View more

Well, I tried getting in to the forum earlier, and it said that they were 'maintaining' it. Shame - it's not maintaing that it needs, really. Scrapping would seem to be a better alternative... And Firefox has failed for a third time. ... View more

Eric S 1 wrote: Steve should get points just for referencing the Bee Gees in a relevant swipe at the forum software. Well I'm just glad you got a buzz out of that... And as for these minuets - it all depends who's minuet you were listening to at the time, doesn't it? They definitely aren't menuets though - at least I don't think they are. Just a minute, I'll check... Oh, and Java is slap bang up to date on this machine. ... View more

Wild_Duck wrote: Well, I've been having crashes of Firefox since the update to v. 3.0.10. I have been assuming that this is a Firefox problem, as there are one or two other things that seem to be broken (although I'm hesitant to mention Real Audio here). I haven't run any Real Audio - but with the same upgrade, this is the only site at all I've had any crashes on. Jive talking... Maybe that's what 'Clearspace' is all about - clearing your browser off your working space! ... View more

I wrote: I don't know if this has happened to anybody else, but this forum just crashed Firefox... And it's just done it again. It appears not to start the java reply posting applet properly, and then just crashes out the whole of Firefox. It recovers perfectly, coming back with everything, but it's still a bit of a PITA when it happens. And only to me, it would seem... ... View more

Well it's only happened the once - but that's one more time than the previous forum software managed. A lot of people haven't been here often since the change - but quite a few of them are visiting AudioMasters, where we now have the vast majority of the FAQs sorted out (and I'm working on the remaining ones, and a few new ones as well) and far less trouble for users with the forum in general. And you can post audio files as well as pictures, etc, so you are better served from that POV too. But here, all in all, this Java app that's used for generating replies really isn't very good - quite rough around the edges in fact, and no updates have been made in terms of sorting out the lack of sensible functionality. Since this is going to be the same across the entire Adobe forums, I can only begin to imagine how many hacked-off users there are... So if you want to find most of the Adobe refugees, and some other helpful people too, then come on over. Even the developers visit from time to time, and one way or another you'll get better service there - simply because we don't use broken software. This thread is called 'Imminent Forum Demise', and I had a feeling that something like this was going to happen - partly because of what happened last time. As a thread title though, it's turned out to be somewhat more prescient than I initially thought it would be. It's also the most read and contributed to thread there's been on this revised forum - by a long, long way. That ought to tell the forum managers something, I would have thought... ... View more

I don't know if this has happened to anybody else, but this forum just crashed Firefox... ... View more

Another thing that's seriously under-developed in this forum is the whole business of inserting a link. If I use the link insert tool to insert, for instance: http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/OzoneDitheringGuide.pdf I get the entire URL showing - which is pretty pointless, really. What should be there is a means of adding more sensible descriptive text easily. What you actually have to do though is go into the HTML editor and do it there. And for some strange reason, it inserts a <br> around the URL sometimes, and if you want it to flow seamlessly through the text, you have to get rid of this too. All I really want to be able to do is to put a link to the Ozone Dithering Guide inline easily. Is that such a ridiculous thing to be able to want to do? Well, according to whoever wrote this junk, it would appear to be... And trying to break up quotes needs a similar level of manipulation - you can't do it properly with just cutting and pasting, because your paste ends up as a quote in a quote - which you have to edit manually so that it looks like a single one. Proper forum software doesn't have these problems, of course - but  the pig in a poke that Adobe bought certainly does! ... View more

RonNovy wrote: [edit] they sensored the word b u c k e t ??? Interesting, that. I suspect that it's a certain combination of key strokes that does it, and it hasn't been thought through - so no change there, then. Let's try mucking about with a few perfectly legal words and see what happens... I don't actually come from Scunthorpe (UK town) but it's quite useful as a test. So there are two that it might fail with... ...and so far it has let both of them through! (well it did the first time, but if you italicise the dodgy bit it fails with the second one...) So what happens if I use the word bucket??? Hehe! Let's try Nantucket - does that work? Yup... Okay - I don't get it either! ... View more

RonNovy wrote: How's this one SteveG: I'm sure that they wouldn't put one like that up - simply because too many people would be using it about their forum software... ... View more

Another thing - they don't have a suitable emoticon for..    ROTFLMAO! ... View more

Never mind that for a minute - the insanity continues!!!! Having stopped all of the email (I thought), I just got this: Hello, You have received this email because the content you posted below has been approved by our moderators: (my bold) Subject: Re: So Buggy...Are the programmers even working on Adobe Audition? Feel better now, do you? Good... Posted: 4/10/09 11:54 AM I now need the thought police to tell me that I didn't say anything rude???? What's even weirder is that I'm supposed to be the last person posting in that thread, according to the thing at the top - but that's not so. This really is turning into some sort of a kiddies playground, isn't it? Or is it 1984 all over again? I did figure out some of the 'quotes' thing I was going on about earlier though. That icon marked >> (insert) above has a 'quote' option in it. But you still can't see the thing you'd want to quote from in the same tab, so it's still screwed. ... View more

Seems to have worked this time - what did you do differently? ... View more

plarsen@mail.tele.dk wrote (twice): Which is of course completely fascinating.... ... View more

Bob Howes wrote: ... to tell us how jolly fine things would be on the U2U boards when they closed Syntrillium? I meant to add that we were less than convinced at the time of this, I seem to recall. AudioMasters, which was set up then as a direct result of things we both were and weren't told, deliberately elected to use user-friendly software, just to get over what we immediately found on Adobe forums. I was going to quote another bit of your reply here, but another thing this new 'system' won't do is to let me see the rest of the thread whilst typing this - unless I open up a completely new tab in Firefox and navigate to it - a PITA and quite unnecessary, but what the heck... Considering the quality of forum software available off the peg, the way Adobe keep trying to re-invent the wheel...and taking a giant backwards step each time--is quite astounding in its arrogance. And just how terminally awful this really is is amply demonstrated by attempting to do what I just did. I need two windows open, and then I have to resort to the text-only version of the editor, and cut and paste the java code to do a second insert without quite losing the will to live... All that to do what in the previous version I could have done by typing one bloody character! (>) Anyway, the point is that yes, there's plenty of much better software out there, and Adobe's previous excuse - that they run a lot of forums, etc and need software that... blah blah is not something that anybody can really take seriously. There are thousands of phpbb sites running, often hundreds on dedicated servers, and they don't have anything like the issues this pile of pooh does. I mean, who wants to score points for answering questions? This is Kindergarten stuff, isn't it? And do we really need a load of links to supposedly similar discussions on other forums (which clearly aren't similar) - no we don't. Do we need the java editor from hell in order to write simple things? No. There are things that we could perhaps have done with - like a bit of common sense over attachment file types, but oh, no... nothing actually useful at all... just rather dubious window dressing. ... View more

Bob Howes wrote: What ever became of that woman who came onto the old Syntrillium forums some years back to tell us how jolly fine things would be on the U2U boards when they closed Syntrillium? I think I'd like to meet her again.... Dorothy K? She's popped in to remove one thing that shouldn't have been posted (even though the intention was good), but that's the only time she's visited and made herself known recently. It's possible that she tracks any mention of her name though - so she might reply to this! ... View more

mikromidas wrote: Has anyone found any way to give some people in charge some feedback on this? The 'submit product feedback' seems to be just a way for the company to collect other's ideas for free - it doesn't lead to any support / FAQ or actual feedback (as in negative feedback) options that I can see. Bit of a can of worms, that. This whole 'people in charge' thing is kinda interesting at the moment... but when it comes down to basic forum design and usage, I don't think that anybody will get anywhere on their own. You have to bear in mind that 'they' did this because they thought it was right, not because any of the end users asked them to. If you go back to the last fiasco, you might recall that what the end users actually wanted (and got in the end) was to have the previous version put back again. And now they seem to have foisted another one on us, and all that distinguishes it from the previous version is the detailed nature of the complaints - but not the quantity of them. Both versions they've put up suck because they don't address the actual needs of forum users - which are to be able to manage easily what they want to post, look at and reply to. I don't think that most of us care really about what it looks like - primarily people ask questions, and want answers (or at least some sort of discussion about an issue) about the software they're trying to use. What they don't want (but are having to put up with here) is to have to ask a load of help-style questions about the forum they're trying to get help from about their real problems - that just gets very heavily in the way, and constitutes a major noise in the system. And it's what AudioMasters trys to avoid. Honestly, I think the best thing we could all do is just go away and let this forum die. I never thought that I'd end up writing that, but how else do you get them to take any notice, other than voting with your feet? Nothing else seems to work, does it? ... View more

Dave K4 wrote: And also if you click on "stop email notifcations" for a particular thread, nothing happens and they remain on even if you've changed your default preferences. I've now put forum mail on my spam list to get rid of it. That's probably a good idea - as is creating a separate account called adobespam@... and redirecting it all there. What appears to happen is that whenever, and every time you make a post to a thread, the email notification thing automatically gets turned back on, so after every post you make, you have to turn it off again - unless you want to get the email of course. Anyway, that sucks big time too. ... View more

Another thing I'm getting somewhat hacked off about is that I've discovered that I have to make a deliberate attempt to stop email notifications all over the place - by default they seem to be turned on. And even after I've turned them off, they get turned back on again. Somebody should be taken out and... made to alter all the defaults. Or just bring back the old forums. They weren't great, but they were nowhere near as bad as this one is. You'd have thought that they'd learned their lesson from last time, wouldn't you? But no... ... View more

AudioMasters got a heads-up about the FAQs and 'rescued' them all. Some of them need a bit of a rework anyway, so we're currently working on that. In terms of access to old threads, this has long been a bone of contention - Ozpeter had to make a very deliberate attempt to save threads if they weren't to fall off the bottom of the forum automatically. AudioMasters, on the other hand, realises the value of some of this older stuff (especially as we created a lot of it), so we don't let go of it anywhere near as easily. Adobe really doesn't like history, or see any value in it at all. The overall forum management has demonstrated this several times over now, so there can be  no doubt in any serious observer's mind that it's true. ... View more

MusicConductor wrote: I can't understand the permanent loss of the FAQs.  Hopefully we're wrong.  Add to the disappointments the sluggish behemoth that the programming of these pages makes my computer. Whilst I would like to share your hopes, experience taught me years ago that optimists tend to be the ones who get disappointed 99.99% of the time, and it's pessimists who get the occasional nice surprise, because their expectations are effectively zero, and they are therefore only very occasionally disappointed! I haven't tried the forums with any version of IE, because I stopped using that bugged piece of grungeware years ago. But I have to say that having a forum that isn't browser-agnostic is also NOT VERY CLEVER, IS IT??? ... View more

Dave K4 wrote: Other PHBB forums are fine, it's only Audiomasters I have a problem with. And when I say BT I mean BT's internal network web filters, not BT Internet. It works fine from home over BT Internet, PPPS - and just tried AM again  - it worked, once, then next time it got blocked. In that case, we'll look into it, because that shouldn't be happening. Does seem a bit strange that you can get in once and not the second time, though. ... View more