Yes, I went there.  My wife says that I am a P-I-G pig. (Apologies to all for the OT post(s).  I'll crawl back into my cave now.) -Jeff ... View more

Jeff will tell you, I am emoticonically challenged But you've got a cool avatar.  So that kind of makes up for it. "See if you can guess, what I am now" ---->      :-|8 -Jeff ... View more

Those are mindless leaps to conclusions (with no actual technical diagnosis), and have pretty much been your only contributions - repeatedly - to this emerging discussion I can only present my opinions on why things were done this way.  They may have a basis in fact, but it's up to you (or anyone else) to decide if you  believe that.  I can assure you, for whatever it's worth, that those conclusions are not mindless, nor are they very big leaps at all.  Again, your choice as to whether to believe me or not. The objective is to uncover whether Adobe was being overcautious by disabling CUDA/GPU acceleration for certain cards You'd have to define "overcautious".  With stability and performance being stated goals for CS5, how many more cards would Adobe have been able to test properly and thoroughly before putting those goals at risk?  One?  Six?  Zero?  How many?  How many cards did they start out with?  How many failed QE for one reason or another?  Why did they fail?  I don't know those answers, and I don't think you do, either.  Conspiracy theories aside, maybe you could give the guys who write the code the benefit of the doubt on this one. And I do remember the earlier debate blip in this thread about the number of accelerated tracks available with each respective card, which I find irrelevant since I'm not NBC Sports dealing with feeds from multiple angles at the Kentucky Derby You may find it "irrelevant", but you better believe there's a significant segment of Adobe's customers who don't. Look, I really hope that folks who alter their Pr installation to get access to CUDA-accelerated playback, effects and rendering end up with a really fast and solid editing experience.  The fact is that some (many?) will not.  Is it worth the risk?  Everyone has to decide for themselves.  And everyone will have to take responsibility for that decision if things go fruit-shaped. -Jeff ... View more

if almost all GTX cards will run significantly better and stable - we have all been misinformed from the start... You mentioned "stable".  Apparently, this new hack is not stable - reference the post I quoted. Nobody's been "misinformed". -Jeff ... View more

still plays jerky with Mercury Playback AND above all: MY SYSTEM CRASHES!!!! PPro freezes after a while and whole system stops working. Maybe that's why support is only enabled for a few, well-tested cards.  Caveat Emptor. -Jeff ... View more

I really don't think that Adobe would have to worry about Joe Average CS5 customers in this context. Having been around these forums for a number of years now, I can safely say that I think you might be underestimating the amount of trouble that Joe Average can get into, either accidentally or on purpose. -Jeff ... View more

Adobe has upset many if not most of its customers by taking away their choice to proceed with the supposed "risk" of instability, which is merely a guess rather than a proven fact. If you are right, then it is Adobe who will suffer when those angered refuse to buy the upgrade to CS5.  If your logic is correct, then it will be a self-correcting situation and you may get what you want sooner rather than later. OTOH, if there is enough added value in CS5 separate from CUDA acceleration, then the list of supported CUDA cards will remain very short for the time being. You have the opportunity to vote with your wallet, and I suggest that you do exactly that. -Jeff ... View more

Hey Stan, good to see you too. You look way better than I do I don't know, Eddie.  Stan kinda looks like a real dog to me. Good to hear from you again. -Jeff ... View more

Mike Brent wrote: I did contact Adobe, I wrote here on this forum, and  did not get an answer, so went directly to them, and ask three times,  again and again, to make sure. They said YES, it supports Mercury. I was very clear. So when I got an answer, I went and ordered the laptop. Anyway, I got a   i7-980X Extreme Edition and on that laptop the graphics card is user  changeable so... Please clarify.  Earlier you said that nVidia told you the mobile version was supported.  In the quote above, you imply that *Adobe* told you the mobile version is supported.  Which is it, please? -Jeff ... View more

Let me clarify.  Wil is one of the Premiere Pro engineers.  'Nuff said. -Jeff ... View more

Harm is spot-on. What, exactly, did you ask them? And what, exactly, did they say? The stakes for purchasers of laptop/graphics card combos is much higher than for purchasers of desktop graphics cards alone. Adobe, and only Adobe, can tell you for sure. -Jeff ... View more

[Moderator's Note: This discussion was moved from the CS5 FAQ Forum] [The following were posts that were omitted during the move] [From John T Smith] Having links to nVidia product  pages is good, but time consuming How about having card specifications and  pricing as well? Such as... nVidia GTX 285 April 2010 $370 to $450  depending on brand 240 Cuda Cores 51.8BSec Texture Fill 648Mhz  Graphics Clock 1476Mhz Processor Clock 1242Mhz Memory Clock 512bit  Memory Interface 159Gbs Memory Bandwidth nVidia SLI 2way &  3way MS DirectX 10 OpenGL 2.1 2560x1600 Max Digital Resolution [From Harm Millaard] It just looks like the FX5800 is  quite comparable to the GTX-285 from a specifications point of view  (apart from the installed memory). Not quite in price. GTX-285 $ 350 FX 5800 $ 3,050 [From Matlock0009] The CS5 press release mentions on one hand that CUDA  technology is  supported, but then the GTX 285 is the only GeForce GPU that is listed  as a supported device.  As CUDA is a technology that is supported on a  wide range of Nvidia GPU's (not only all the 200 series, but some of the  9000 and 8000 as well), I was wondering if, in the future, the Mecury  Engine will support most of the GeForce GPU's that use CUDA, not just  the the 285.  Any thoughts? ... View more

zenviolence, I got to talk some of the Premiere Pro team out in Las Vegas.  I was told that the logic behind limiting GPU-accelerated playback and rendering to a very specific set of cards was to guarantee a certain level of performance for anyone using Pr CS5 and one of the cards.  And yes, they seemed very aware that there will be an outcry from potential CS5 customers about why their favorite CUDA-capable card was excluded from the list.  Also consider the fact that only 2 cards are supported on the Mac.  So there's a whole group of Mac folks who will be even more unhappy. FWIW, I'm disappointed that my GTX280 isn't supported.  I don't really want to pony up for a new video card.  Nobody does. I tried to make my previous answers direct and to-the-point.  If you interpret that as arrogance, then I'm sorry.  The reality of the situation is (warning: direct and to-the-point answer coming): CS5's GPU-accelerated playback and rendering will *initially* only be available for certain nVidia graphics adapters.  That will undoubtedly change as time goes by.  Real Adobe Evangelists have said it's just a matter of time before new cards are supported.  It is your choice as to whether or not you upgrade to CS5, now or ever.  If non-accelerated playback and render performance in CS5 is a deal-breaker for you, then I recommend you hold on to your money until the list of supported cards fits your budget and your system. BTW, I wish I was an "Evangelist".  They get paid! -Jeff ... View more

If the answer is yes The answer is yes.  You won't be able to turn on GPU acceleration for any unsupported card.  The MPE will stay in software rendering mode if the installed card is unsupported. As for the question, "What were you thinking?", you'll have to ask the engineering team to get the real answer.  There are logical arguments to be made on either side of the issue. -Jeff ... View more

nothing (including this thread) has answered to anyone's satisfaction the question of whether all CUDA-compatible nVidia GPU model numbers, OTHER THAN those few listed, have been "flicked off" from Mercury's playback engine to tap in for acceleration The question has been answered.  The reality is that you don't like the answer.  Current cards that support CUDA acceleration in Premiere Pro CS5 are: --Begin List-- GeForce GTX 285 (Windows and Mac OS) Quadro FX 3800 (Windows) Quadro FX 4800 (Windows and Mac OS) Quadro FX 5800 (Windows) Quadro CX --End of list-- ... View more