daniellei4510
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Daniel L
Photographer and Graphic Designer
daniellei4510
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Daniel L
Photographer and Graphic Designer
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in Stock Contributors Discussions
‎Jul 08, 2023
04:55 AM
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‎Jul 08, 2023
04:55 AM
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I'm selling, but I'm relatively late to contributing to Adobe Stock so things are progressing slowly, both in terms of sales and the rate at which I upload. I've been active with AI for the last few months, long before I started with Adobe Stock, so I have a backlog of images to upload, many of which are under consideration for deletion, given how much the quality of AI has improved over such a short period of time.
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‎Jul 08, 2023
03:34 AM
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‎Jul 08, 2023
03:34 AM
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Hey, Jill... As a retired photographer (mobility issues, i.e., I've gotten lazy in my old age), 100% of my uploads are AI. I upload daily, but rarely more than 5-7 submissions at a time. The most is 20 if I'm feeling ambitious, since most of my AI images feature people, requiring some additional "paperwork." My rejection rate straddles between 0.06 to 0.08 on any given day. Anyway, you're probably right. People are flushing the system with AI, probably because it's so "easy.' But it's not. If you're an AI designer/prompter or whatever you want to call yourself, if you aren't spending at least 15 minutes to 2 hours editing your results, you're doing it wrong. And if you're spending over 2 hours, just ditch the thing and try something else. So yeah...don't backlog the queue just because your AI thumbnails looks great. Check the results carefully once they have been upscaled. Corner to corner, at 200% minimum. And I use the term "they" with some sense of caution. If the images look even somewhat similar to others, pick one or at most two if they differ from each other. Are you submitting images of people? Great. But make sure you run them through a facial restoration program first, to improve the eyes, nostrils, mouth and sometimes ears. Even then, are the irises round? Are the pupils round and centered within the irises? Are there catchlights in the eyes? Does one have two catchlights and the other just one? Are they both positioned in the same location within each eye? Oh, and facial restoration programs favor brown eyes only. So every now and then, change the eye color. And landscapes. Don't get me started on landscapes. They may look great at their original size, but upscaling will usually rip them apart. Grain. Noise. Chromatic aberations. They can all be improved upon with additional photoshop editing and verious AI applications, but take the time to use them (up to 2 hours...then remember the previous rule). And please. No more female robots with big bosoms. (And yes, I was guilty of that when I first started...a half dozen out of a half dozen were selected, but I'm done uploading more.) I'm rambling. Point is, there should NOT be an influx of AI if people if they were to start treating them like actual photographs. There are cropping issues to consider. Quality issues with respect to the same kinds of quality issues one might experience with an actual photograph). Compositional issues. Color balance issues. In other words, all the same issues one would deal with editing an actual photograph. AI users: SLOW DOWN. (End of rant.)
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‎Jul 07, 2023
03:18 AM
7 days? Oh, if I had been so lucky when I first started submitting to AS. Wait a month. Things will get moving.
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‎Jul 07, 2023
12:54 AM
Upscaling is allowed. It just has to be done very carefully, and every nook and cranny of the images must be inspected. I usually use Photoshop's own Neural Filter Super Zoom to upscale my images. It tends not to over-correct, causing fringing, as is often the case with Gigapixel AI. Though it does offer the benefit of placing the upscaled image on a new layer above the original, where masking can come in handy if something is oversharpened.
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‎Jul 06, 2023
04:21 PM
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Something else I would like to add. A lot of people seem convinced that anything involving human skin is the reason they get these violation notices. First, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I have always been able to circumvent this issue by making an additional small selection elsewhere far removed the main selection itself. Secondly, I'm guessing the reason this happens so often is beause the majority of generative fill requests involve human skin, even though the same thing can happen when trying to remove or add other objects in areas that have no resemblance whatsoever to human skin. I also get the impression that people taking advantage of generative fill have no previous experience with other AI applications. It will be a long time, even after Gen Fill is out of beta, that hands and feet will be an issue. This is the case with most AI programs and even those that do it well only do it well 50% of the time and usually still require ediitng in Photoshop.
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‎Jul 06, 2023
12:36 PM
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This issue kind of confirms what I've always theorized. I went over to Firefly and typed "a cow playing a kazoo." Granted, the results were odd in that the instrument themselves looked nothing like a kazoo, but Firefly did in fact make an attempt to create the prompt and I received no violation warning. What I believe is happening with Generative Fill is that the bot creates a result that the bot itself determines is a violation of standards. In other words, it is censoring itself, not you, even though the warning is written in such a way that it blames YOU, and not itself, for attempting to circumvent the standards. But since we aren't able to see those results, I note again that this is only a theory. In short, it's a bug, not censorship, at least in this particular instance.
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‎Jul 06, 2023
01:47 AM
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Agreed. and that is what you should be using. Despite what YouTubers are trying to tell you, and to some extent Adobe, Generative Fill is not a full-fledged AI application. It is an editing tool. While I do on occasion get the "against user agreement violations," I can get Generative Fill to work for me 100% of the time. But I don't use it do create things...I use it to fix things. To extend borders. To remove objects. To fill objects (but rearely to replace them with a different object. If you want to experiment with REAL AI apps, there are plenty choose from, including Firefly (athough it is in beta and I suspect it will remain so for some time. I know YouTubers, to get their kicks and clicks) are touting Generative Fill as the be all and end all of photo editing. It is not. Nor should it be. It is one among an arsenal of tools to edit photographs. Adobe Photoshop is not going to be left behind.
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‎Jul 04, 2023
03:59 PM
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That's normal with most ai apps. The bots don't seem to understand numbers. For example, I prompted Goldilocks and the three bears elsewhere and always got two bears. I finally composited the third bear in photoshop.
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‎Jul 03, 2023
03:41 PM
If I didn't submit images that I thought moderators might not acceept, I'd probably have 20-30 fewer images on Adobe Stock. I've only been a contributor for about 6 months, but one thing I've learned is that it's very difficult to second guess the moderators. I have a rejection rate of 0.066%, which I assume is relatively low and I do my best to maintain or improve upon it. But now and then, I think you just have to take a chance (within reason) and hope for the best.
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‎Jul 02, 2023
09:40 PM
OK. With all due respect, I think AI is getting a bum rap as the reason for so many images being stuck in the queue and thus causing an insane delay with images being approved. For starters, as I understand it, AI is separated from real photographs and placed in to a different queue (I hate that word...why isn't is just spelled cue?). Also, I have seen far fewer AI inages posted by AI designers asking why their images were rejected compared to beginning photographers (who admit they are beginners) and going so far as to complain that their images should have been accepted because they have very expensive cameras. Sorry, but AI usually does a better job compared to beginning photographers. It's just that competitive right now. As a retired photographer with 35 years experience, I've taken better photographs with a $12 Diana camera compared to some images posted by beginners asking why their images were rejected. I am not saying that beginners should throw their cameras away and turn to AI. Nor am I saying that AI will eventually replace real photography. But let's get real. Enough AI images of female robots with huge bosoms. Enough real photographs of flowers that any 8 year old could have taken with a camera with auto focus and auto exposure after being turned loose in a greenhouse and told to go take some photos of flowers. Expand your minds. Trash bad photographs and trash bad AI. And spend a year or two on how to correct issues that arise with either.
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‎Jul 02, 2023
08:25 PM
I was aware of this, but the AI itself resulted in the sepia toning. I considered converting it to black and white, since I've had 4 or 5 B&W images accepted previously (which is not to say the image would otherwise have been accepted in light of the other issues pointed out). But then, weirdly enough, I was watching a recent Adobe Livestream about submitting AI images (what to do, what not to do, etc.). At one point, if I heard the presenter correctly, he suggested using Lightroom presets to give submissions a little boost to set them apart from other submissions. But this seemed entirely against Adobe Stock standards so I was a bit surprised. Ultimately, I think the subject will dictate what to do or what not to do with an image, particularly AI images, and I would rarely if ever take such advice. To me, the suffix "pre" means, "it's already been done--if not overdone--and should only be used for personal requirements and not stock photography.
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‎Jul 01, 2023
10:31 AM
Thanks, ABAMBO...I think you're right. Maybe they would have a couple issues slide, but collectivly I can see all of your points. I think I was relying on the strength of the concept itself rather than focusing enough on the technical issues. And yes, with regard to a comment from another contributor elsewhere, I did provide the proper release.
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‎Jul 01, 2023
12:47 AM
It was "Quality Issues." But I'm at the point where I think quality issues is the go-to selection when nothing else works as their reason for a rejection. Kind of like me selecting "Graphic Resource" when none of the other categories fit the subject. I probably went with "People" in this case, but is it really about people? Not really. The category could be "Time," Clocks, "Surrealism," but of course we don't have the luxury of chooseing from a list of very specific categories. Which is probably good if the overall scheme of things.
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‎Jun 30, 2023
10:01 PM
I'm fairly eclectic when it comes to the images I submit to Adobe Stock. This includes a fair share of surrealistic AI images. The majority have been approved but this one didn't pass muster. While I spent a good hour photoshoping improved roman numerals on the clock, is it the other symbols and numbers depicted that might have resulted in its rejection? Or the hat covering a part of the clock? The strands of hair I left on the back of her neck? Normally, when I get images rejected, I simply shrug my shoulders and move on. But this one kind of perplexes me. Thanks for your input!
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in Stock Contributors Discussions
‎Jun 30, 2023
01:28 AM
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‎Jun 30, 2023
01:28 AM
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Understood. But deleting an asset that has an issue the moderator overlooked after being accepted is an issue of responssibility on my party. I do not want to sell an image that would require the buyer to make the changes him/herself if they weren't equipped to do so.
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‎Jun 30, 2023
01:25 AM
I'm aware that they can be changed AFTER approval, but I haven't come across a means to make minor changes BEFORE approval, other than deleting them and re-uploadinh
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‎Jun 29, 2023
08:56 PM
...behind letting us edit keywords, titles, categories, etc. AFTER images are accepted as opposed to before? Yes, I know we can delete an image and make any changes again, but the way it seems now, if could allow people to add unnecessary keywords, change titles drastically, and so forth.
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‎Jun 27, 2023
12:04 AM
I would never WANT to be a moderator. 🙂 Although I do moderate myself, even after an image has been accepted in error. After one image was accepted, I noticed a glaring error that was overlooked. Well...maybe not glaring. It was actually very subtle, but I just couldn't bring myself t let some poor buyer not notice it until it was too late. I deleted it, fixed the problem, and re-submitted it. Again, moderators are only human and can make mistakes. I don't know how many stock photo sites vet submitted images, but it ones of the reasons I chose Adobe Stock to submit my own.
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‎Jun 24, 2023
09:59 AM
You just never know. A lot depends on the moderator you end up with. They're only human and there may be some biases at play.
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‎Jun 24, 2023
07:54 AM
Not so much sure if this is really a quality issue as much as two subjects together that don't have a logical reason to be pictured together, thus making it unlikely to have commercial value? Just a guess. Although the glass is a tad out of focus compared to the totoise. Maybe removing the glass and extending the right hand side might help? I can't really imagine an instance where some searches for "a tortoise on a table sitting next to a cocktail."
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‎Jun 23, 2023
04:56 PM
Just curious. Did you submit all 75 images at the same time? Seems a lot, Keep in mind the moderators are human. If I had spent the day looking at hundreds or more images and then same across a series of 75 submitted at one and the same time, I'd probably summarily reject most of them. Just a guess. Considering the number of images submitted daily, hey can afford to be choosy. I don't have a clue how the moderation process works, but I tend to submit an average of 2 to 7 a day. (The most has been 20 or so and all were accepted, but maybe my moderator was in a good mood.)
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‎Jun 23, 2023
11:26 AM
If a bot or "program code" were analyzing contributor submissions, I suspect we'd see a lot more rejections than some people are seeing now...and a lot more acceptances that we would never want to see. The bot would be programmed to accept or reject submissions based on a set of photographic rules with respect to ideal focusing criteria, compositonal rules, exposure, etc., and such rules are made to be adhered to...or broken...as called for by the subject matter. Not to mention any emotional factors when it comes to judging art of any kind. Yeah, sometimes we might get a human who ordinarily does a great job at moderation but he or she is having an issue with Jane in HR and having a bad day in general and it gets taken out on us. 🙂 Just kidding...kind of...but I suspect the moderators take pride in the job they do and the responsibilities that come with it. Also, given the limitations we have when it comes to selecting from a limited number of catagories when it comes to assigning just one of those categories to our images, moderators have a limited number of reasons for rejecting a given image, even when there may be multiple reasons. Or even one particular reason not necessarily listed and only the closet one can be selected.
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in Stock Contributors Discussions
‎Jun 22, 2023
09:28 PM
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‎Jun 22, 2023
09:28 PM
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In fact, if he had remained alive, I think within a year he would have been taking advantage of it and writing books about it like every other professional photographer does these days.
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‎Jun 22, 2023
09:19 PM
Ansel passed away in 1984. He probably would have puked and rolled over in his grave when Photoshop was introduced in 1990.
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‎Jun 21, 2023
12:05 AM
Wouldn't work. Images that "don't sell" don't necessarily "don't sell" because of quality issues. They might not sell for a variety of reasons, such as poor keywording, lack of commercial value, competition among millions of images to choose from (which is probably the main one), etc. I've seen way more people uploading actual photographs here asking why their images weren't accepted that couldn't come close to competing with AI in terms of quality. Adobe (and Adobe Stock) is clearly embracing AI as indicated by the introduction of Firefly. Once out of beta, that issue (if AI generation is in fact the issue, which I highly doubt), things will get far worse before they get better in terms of waiting periods.
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in Stock Contributors Discussions
‎Jun 20, 2023
07:33 PM
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‎Jun 20, 2023
07:33 PM
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Well put. As a retired photographer and now an AI designer, I put as much if not more effort into editing my AI work as I did my photographs. Whether it's one image or twenty (though three to seven is probably my average), I made it a point from the beginning to upload daily. Fingers crossed, but after being patient during the first couple of months of waiting, I'm now having images accepted roughly every other day (weekends and holidays excluded). AI is easy...but deceptively so. My motto: When it comes to AI, one is only as good as the number of images one assigns to the trash."
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in Stock Contributors Discussions
‎Jun 19, 2023
04:29 AM
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‎Jun 19, 2023
04:29 AM
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I've notice that some contributors have had images rejected for being too "similar" to other images they have posted at the same time. But I've also noticed that there are a large number of images "similar" to others have also been accepted, sometimes as many as three or four taken, for example, at different distances, or at slightly different angles, or with a variety of expressions on a models face, etc. With that in mind, say I have an image of a model that might work well on a blog related to costmetics, skin conditioners, retaining a youthful appearance, or along similar lines. One is a head-on, centered portrait, while another (perhaps even the very same image), has been expanded to include room for some text on the left- or right-hand side. Is it reasonable to submit both images or would I be wasting my own and the moderators time to submit both? It's always difficult to assume the expertise of a potential buyer when it comes to editing an image for their intended use. An example is attached and thanks in advance for your advice!
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‎Jun 17, 2023
11:43 AM
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Given the fact that the Adobe team has requested to see example images wherein the problem occurs, I get the impression they are not experiencing the issue to the extent that we are, if at all. Despite what the message says, I believe other issues are involved well beyond assumed censorship.
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‎Jun 14, 2023
10:25 PM
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OK...at the risk of spamming the board, since I've already posted this once (although I can't find it and I was on my third glass of wine, so maybe it never got posted), this is a cropped image of a before and after AI image of a woman's chest that was edited entirely with Generative Fill. By making a second, small selection far removed from the main selection, Generative Fill did an excellent job without having to rely on the cloning tool, spot removal tool, remove tool, etc. The issue is a bug and there are work-arounds. Yes, there are words that Adobe has banned, and probably not purposefully. "Tank," for example, which, besides being a military vehicle, also has a variety of NSFW definitions on Urban Dictionary. Things will improve going forward.
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‎Jun 13, 2023
02:34 AM
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First time, huh? I've gotten it about three times. Worked eventually a couple minutes or less later. Just think of it as zipper merging on the on-ramp during highway or bridge construction.
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