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May 6, 2013
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Scared of CC

  • May 6, 2013
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Not sure is I am in the right forum for this

As a long time Adobe user CC scares me...

I live in a country without decent internet....

Adobe has already demonstrated in Australia that pricing can go up and down as it sees fit ...always to the detriment of customers

A lot of the world is still in an economical downturn ...$600 per year is not a saving...it is a considerable increase for many

$600 per year will quickly move to $1000.... (I have just noticed in my country I can only get the team version???)

Once adobe determines which programs are popular an additional cost tier will be introduced to pay for that product

once you move over to a subscription based service you are addicted... if you give up subscription you can no longer edit projects ....if you own a version ...you can always go back to a project without activation issues...

As for not providing updates and bug fixes that is just unconscionable

Adobes thinking here is that of a monopoly.... it will start forcing the independent free lancer to look elsewhere ... it will encourage pirating..... and in places where internet is not assured guarantee creative discrimination.. for non profits and groups fighting political oppression a subscription based services could really limit there freedom of speech.... if you cant connect to the internet ..how can you produce content?


Adobe please think hard about this

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    May 8, 2013

    Oh, you don't have to be scarred.  There is always an alternative out there.  See this blog:

    http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/corel-is-all-about-giving-users-choice/

    Good luck.

    Participating Frequently
    May 7, 2013

    Your fright of CC is understandable. Until Adobe fully writes about a max fee, no one should believe any company that says they will not be manipulating their subscription pricing in the future.

    Participant
    May 7, 2013

    This is ridiculous Adobe!

    Creative Cloud is an interesting idea, and for some it may be a good option, but I think it's going to be a hard sell for a lot of customers… myself included. I work for a large global corporation and I can tell you that adding an ongoing monthly expense for multiple users around the world is going to be a huge hassle, not just for me, but also for accounts payable and the IT team who will have to support it. Why force people to go this route instead of having it just as an option? Clearly the only reason is you feel that people just aren't upgrading fast enough. But do you really give the users compelling reasons to upgrade?

    Since I've been with my company, we've upgraded roughly every other release. Most upgrades we've done have just been to stay current with our printers and other design teams. The one exception is that we upgraded to CS5.5 to take advantage of the interactive folios in indesign. That really was a mistake, because what we got with 5.5 really felt like a beta of the tools. There were multiple updates which were required (at times stopping our work entirely) and at times the adobe cloud servers did not seem to be working and we were unable to upload or download folios. It really made the tools barely usable and certainly not reliable enough to rollout to our sales force as a sales tool. With CS6 they fixed most of the issues, but I have to feel the bugs were worked out at the expense of those who moved too quickly to upgrade to CS5.5.

    This makes me extremely worried. In addition to being forced to rent the software, I do not want a piece of cloud software where updates are pushed to me regardless of how half-baked they may be. As one other poster mentioned, I would never upgrade software in the middle of a huge project and at times I've kept an older version installed along with the new version until I was sure everything would work properly.

    I think now is the time for other companies to come in and fill the need for design professionals to actually "own" their software. Remember Adobe that before Indesign, Quark owned page layout, and I honestly think with such a brash move, if they play their cards rights, they could regain a lot of the market. For every piece of software you produce, there are competitors. And I can guarantee that people will start looking at them and deciding whether or not any of them will fit their needs without the need for a monthly subscription. This is what happens when companies feel they have a monopoly and there are no alternatives.

    There are always alternatives.

    mytaxsite
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2013

    davedunlap1 wrote:

    This is ridiculous Adobe!

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    I guess we just have to wait and see whether the Cloud business model has made any difference in the company's revenues.  The idea was originally floated by Microsoft to curb the use of pirated software;  All other companies have followed suit.  Microsoft is the leader in new ways of generating revenues and other companies just follow it blindly.  You may remember that Microsoft was the first company to start product activation;  They spent millions on the technology and yet people were still managing to bypass its tight control on pirated software.  Subscription model will result in keys being sold on the Internet for people to use the software but I suspect the idea came from the security services like FBI and CIA to control what people are doing and to keep track of the work.  Very useful to catch the terrorists.  People's data that is stored in the cloud can be scanned by FBI's software to pin-point anything suspicious acts by the author.  Also, commercial secrets can be accessed by the authorities to find and prosecute tax evaders and those companies trading with countries like Iran.

    So Cloud has some benefits but we just have to wait and see if this is widely accepted by the general public and corporations.

    Phillip M  Jones
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2013

    Microsoft's Model is a lot different in that you can still get Office on DVD though you pay more for it and their subscription is $100 (Office consist of 4 applications Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook) for an entire year .  Plus once downloaded you can work on your files without a connection if your connection fails. If we could get web premium say for $100 per year, and I had decent internet. I might would consider it. Plus with out the connection you can't work on anything.

    For me as sorry as my Cable connection is its just not practical. And I can't $1000 a month  or even $1200 a year.

    Participant
    May 6, 2013

    I'm a graphic designer and 3D modeller.  I've used photoshop for years professionally and had hoped to finally get the CS6 Creative Suite.  Given this move, I will instead be migrating away from any Adobe products.  I have a few other "cloud" products already by other vendors and I have NOT had good experiences with them.  I need software that is on MY computer, available when I need to work regardless of internet connection (and I do not always have my system connected to the internet).  Wake up Adobe, many of us are professionals, not kids or tech geeks who think all the latest gadgets are cool.  I still buy print books because they work regardless of what happens with the internet, I need software that is MINE once I buy it.  You're "solution" would cost me more money, provide me with unreliable service, and require I have an internet connection just to work from my own computer.  Good luck with your new business model, you just lost a previously consistent customer unless you reverse this.  Wait too long and I'm gone for good regardless.

    Oh, and I just have to wonder, since the US Senate just voted to apply the internet tax, is that going to be applied to that monthly subscription?  There's potentially another 6% to 10% on that $49.95 per month extra courtesy of Uncle Sam.

    Phillip M  Jones
    Inspiring
    May 6, 2013

    In the US about 80% of the country has poor Internet service . Varying from PPP over POTS. to DSL over Copper (DSL over POTS). Even Cable system haven't been updated since the 1980's espcially in Rural areas.  $600-1000 in Most of the US is not pocket change either.

    I have loaded and am getting the unable to sync files about every 5 seconds  right now.

    But you can't tell adobe nothing.

    Participating Frequently
    May 6, 2013

    I think we can tell Adobe "no," if we work at it.

    Companies do admit "mistakes" when confronted with clear evidence that they have outraged their customers, and do roll back bad policies, however reluctantly.

    Speak up about this, everyone.

    John T Smith
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 6, 2013

    >Companies do admit "mistakes" when confronted

    New Coca Cola -vs- Classic is one example of a product rollback

    Participant
    May 6, 2013

    Although I am not afraid of the change - I do find it a major failure on Adobe's thinking.

    I just read an article where you all talk about how your revenue for your stand alone products has dropped in relation to your subscription model for the past year over year quarters (meaning your subscription revenue is increasing).  This is a loaded statistic.  Seeing as how your subscription models in the long run costs more than outright purchasing a copy of the Creative Suite from one version to the next.

    Additionally I do not want to EVER store my project files or master files on 3rd party hosted servers. Where because of some lame Terms of Service - Adobe now owns the rights to a copy of anything I upload which can be used as Adobe's discretion and whims without due compensation to the file owners (and you give Adobe permission in the Terms by accepting the use of their "service product").

    Adobe is getting to be more and more lazy.

    If I have a large project that takes several weeks or months - I do not EVER change software versions during that timeframe.  As things like color rendering or functionality change from one version to the next.  This new approach (very similarto how Google handles its product - which I hate) just makes sweeping changes and screws the end User over without time to adapt or finish a current project.  This is a load of bulls*** at its finest.  Google has regularly pushed out features and updates to Gmail and Docs (among other services) that have broken OR radically changed and altered how things are done.  Mostly in negative directions that are worse for the end-User.

    I will be moving away from Photoshop and Illustrator and Dreamweaver and Flash in the future.  Adobe will no longer get my money OR that of Employers when I am asked to purchase software.  I used to advocate until recently the use of Flash for so many more things that t5he general public gripes about - banner ads - pop ups - video - and gaming - and that Flash has so many more uses - education and learning - tutorials - control level interfaces - application development.  I will no longer speak favorably about Flash.  I will migrate fully over to newer open technologies - more than likely uninstall any Flash plugins or products.  And again - migrate away form Adobe as much as and as soons as possible.

    I will look into using alternatives to both Dreamweaver and Photoshop - which I have not for the longest time due to their superiority as products compared to anyt rival software products available.  But I can definitely get by without those 2 products if I have to.  As I said any future money spent will NOT be given to Adobe's online failure of products.

    As for being Graphic Designer with a need for InDesign use - I hate Quark enough to NOT jump to using it - however - I may simply migrate away from publishing period - thank you for that Adobe.

    Video editing - as horrible as the new version of Final Cut Pro is - as Apple seems to cater to watered down general purpose Users lately instead of professionals that need functional tools - I will probably migrate back to using it - just to NOT subscribe to your future web-based offerings.

    Full Production that you all cater to - IS NOT VIABLE from a Web Browser interface.  I should not have to push my content through Adobe's servers in order develop a project for a client. This touches on my comments above - Adobe has no right to any of my content or that of my clients.   This is very unacceptable.

    If you go this route - you've lost a 20+ year customer.  And hope that others follow suit and boycott the hell out of your company and products.  I hope your revenue drops like a rock - that people wise up and stop bending over for sweeping corporate decisions that make no sense - and that you either change your new found approach or simply go bankrupt beacuse some executives made decsions with their heads buried deep in someone's...in the sand.

    So thank you very much for making the bulk of the software for the Industry I've worked in for the past 20 years a Monopoly and then in one sweep shutting the whole thing down and charging us significantly more for an inferior product.

    Known Participant
    May 7, 2013

    Jp Cooper wrote:

    Additionally I do not want to EVER store my project files or master files on 3rd party hosted servers. Where because of some lame Terms of Service - Adobe now owns the rights to a copy of anything I upload which can be used as Adobe's discretion and whims without due compensation to the file owners (and you give Adobe permission in the Terms by accepting the use of their "service product").

    This is true.  One reason, in addition to the goshawful change of forum software from WebX to JIVE that Adobe's Photography forum has died on the vine.

    Participant
    May 7, 2013

    From now on, I'm referring to the new policy as the CON Policy (Cloud or Nothing).

    Avoid the CON.