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glenpinn
glenpinn
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July 15, 2017
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Drive setup on new Premier/Resolve Editing PC

  • July 15, 2017
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Ok, didn't end up getting my Son the new i7-7700k PC that we originally wanted to build, and after being told to look into the new AMD Ryzen chips, we have decided to build the following AMD Ryzen 1700X System instread, and i have already ordered the hardware ready to pick up next week.

Case = Aerocool DS mATX Cube-Orange = $145

PSU = FSP AS-650 FSP AURUM S 650W 80+ GOLD = $109

Mobo = MSI B350M Mortar Arctic AM4 MATX = $135

CPU = Ryzen 1700X = $515

CPU Cooler = Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler = $99

Cooler Bracket = Noctua NM-AM4 Mounting Kit = $9

Ram = G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GFX 16GB 8GB X 2 DDR4 3200 MHZ = $295

Graphics = MSI GTX-1060 Aero 6gb = $449

System/Apps Drive = 256gb Samsung 960 EVO NVMe = $179

TOTAL= $1935 (this Australian $$$)

Ok, i think i will need to get a GTX-1070 8gb GPU rather than the 1060 6gb GPU, according to the expert in the following link, seems like even a GTX-980Ti 6gb performs better than the 1060 card, which i think is a bit odd, but anyway, i need to ask if this will be a good idea.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-3-Pascal-GPU-Performance-840/

Also the same guy (Matt Bach) says that 16gb of ram is not really enough for Premier, is this correct, because i know people using Premier and they have 16gb with an i7-7700k cpu and a 1080 8gb GPU, and they claim that they have no problems, and the ram i am getting is 3200Mhz, which is the recommended ram for the Ryzen 1700X.

Now to the Drives setup for Premier and Resolve, which is still annoying me, so i will list what drives that i currently own and can use in this PC, along with the intended use for each one.

1. (buying brand new) 256gb Samsung 960 EVO NVMe = OS and Apps

2. already have a 480gb SanDisk Ultra 2 SSD = Project/Media files from camera or other sources

3. already have a 240gb SanDisk Plus SSD = Media Cache and Page files

4. already have a 2tb Seagate 7200 Laptop Hdd = Exports and temp storage

OR i can use 2x 1tb Seagate Laptop Hdd and run Exports to one, and use the other for temp storage.

Backups will be run over to 2x 4tb USB3 Portable drives and over to my server.

I know this setup may not be ideal, but i was told the Export drive does not need to be an SSD, and i was told i can store Media cache and Page files on one single SSD, However i really need to know if 256gb SSD is big enough ?????????

All Drives except the OS Drive will be upgraded in the future, once my Son gets an idea of what his real requirements will be.

Any help will be appreciated.

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    RoninEdits
    RoninEdits
    Inspiring
    July 15, 2017

    i'm the one from your previous post that tried talking you into ryzen, glad to see you went that way.

    New Editing PC for Premier

    gpu - it will depend on how how many and which gpu accelerated fx are being used and how much coloring is being done to determine how much benefit the video card will have. if using a few fx and lite color then a gtx 1060 gb may work fine. overall, i think the gtx 1070 would be a better match for the 8-core ryzen cpu and may benefit resolve more.

    ram - 16gb is a good minimum amount to have. ram is mostly used for caching playback frames and more ram can help buffer more frames. some do fine with 16gb, and some find more ram helps playback to be smoother. you have 4 ram slots on that motherboard, so you can start with 16gb and add more if needed.

    note: if you are building this computer yourself then you will need to set those speeds in the bios for the memory. the kit of memory you list is specifically tested for ryzen compatibility, but it shouldn't run at those speeds by default. first thing after building the system you should do a bios update, then adjust the memory and any other bios settings as needed.

    storage - the super fast nvme pcie m.2 ssd's will largely go to waste as an os/apps drive. once the computer is booted and the software launched, the os drive is mostly idle. using a sata ssd like one of your old sandisk ssd's would be a better option. if the projects are mostly short in length, then using a single 500gb m.2 for cache/projects/media is a decent option. otherwise for longer projects the m.2 drives can become expensive and its often cheaper use multiple sata ssd's, possibly in raid-0. typical index like cache files are very small, but rendered previews can start taking up some space.

    some m.2 drive setup options would look like this:

    Sandisk 256gb or 480gb SSD - os/apps/pagefile

    samsung 960 evo 500gb - database/cache/projects/media/previews

    or for large projects

    samsung 960 evo 500gb - os/apps/pagefile/database/cache/projects

    2x 1tb or larger sata ssd - media/previews

    using what you already have could look like this:

    Sandisk 256gb SSD - os/apps/pagefile

    Sandisk 480gb SSD - database/cache/projects/media/previews

    glenpinn
    glenpinnAuthor
    Known Participant
    July 15, 2017

    Thanks a lot, yes we found a lot of people telling us to go the Ryzen path as well, especially for editing work, and you was indeed correct, so thanks a lot for that push.

    Interesting about the drives, the guy building the PC for my son is a very knowledgeable guy and i originally had a 256gb SSD for the OS and Apps, but he told me to spend the extra $30 on the NVMe drive, which to be hones i was not sure why, but i did it anyway, as he built his own 1800X PC recently and also has an NVMe drive for the OS and Apps, maybe i can ask him, or link him to this Thread to read your comments.

    I also read Matt Bach's comment about not needing an SSD for Exports, and that a normal Hdd will be fine, and the Source/Project files should be on at least a 500gb SSD.

    I also read somewhere to move Page files off the OS drive, and put that elsewhere, like on a 256gb SSD along with the Media Cache ??? so i am a bit confused.

    Also, what is a "Scratch Disk" as a lot of people use this term ???

    As far as the 1060 6gb GPU goes, my son is the one doing the shooting and editing, i just know that he likes shooting in ProRes 444 HQ i think it is, i have no idea (1080 or 4k, sometimes 4.5k) and i have no idea what his workflow usually consists of once he imports his files, but i am sure he mostly uses Premier for most of his work, and he also does his coloring with Premier as well (i am sure he told me this) but i think he might use Resolve sometimes.

    I don't want him ringing me to tell me he is having issues and it turns out to be that 1060 6gb GPU, especially given the poor results in that Pugets Systems link i posted earlier, so i figure i may as well spend the extra $250 and get the 1070 8gb card.

    RoninEdits
    RoninEdits
    Inspiring
    July 16, 2017

    Hi, if i use a 250gb SSD or the 256gb NVMe drive for the OS/Apps/Page files, could that also be used to store the premier and/or resolve Media cache on as well, if so, that may save me from using a dedicated 250gb SSD just for the Media Cache ???

    Cheers


    cache files are pretty small, so they should fit on the os drive too as long as its not full from other things like installed programs or misc storage. if you add one of your old laptop drives for misc storage it shouldn't be a problem. if you keep the nvme drive then i would recommend using it for the cache, otherwise if you use the sandisk 256gb or a samsung 850 for the os drive it might be slightly better to place the cache on the 480gb sandisk ssd with the projects and media. you could also go with a samsung 850 for os/apps, sandisk 256gb for cache, and sandisk 480gb for media.

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