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Harm_Millaard
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May 3, 2009
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Storage rules for an editing rig. Some basics.

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How do you set up your editing machine in terms of disks for maximum performance and reliability? (SSD's are left out here.)

This is a question that often arises and all too often one sees that initial settings are really suboptimal. These rules are intended to help you decide how to setup your disks to get the best response times. Of course the only disks in an editing machine must be 7200 RPM types or faster. No GREEN disks at all.

Rule 1: NEVER partition a disk. You may ask why? First of all, it does not increase disk space, it just allocates the space differently. However, the major drawback is that for a partitioned disk the OS must first access a partition table at the beginning of the disk for all accesses to the disk, thus requiring the heads to move to the beginning of the disk, then when it has gotten the partition info move to the designated area on the disk and perform the requested action. This means much more wear-and-tear on the mechanics of the disk, slower speeds and more overhead for the OS, all reducing efficiency.

Rule 2: Avoid using USB drives, since they are the slowest on the market. Do not be tricked by the alleged bandwidth of USB 2.0 advertisements, because is just is not true and remember that the alleged bandwidth is shared by all USB devices, so if you have a USB mouse, keyboard, printer, card reader or whatever, they all share the bandwidth. Stick to SCSI or SATA disks or e-SATA. If needed, you can use Firewire-800 or even Firewire-400 disks, but they are really more suited for backups than for editing.

Rule 3: Use at least 3 different physical disks on an editing machine, one for OS/programs, one for media and one for pagefile/scratch/renders. Even on a notebook with one internal drive it is easy to accomplish this by using a dual e-SATA to Express card connector. That gives you an additional two e-SATA connections for external disks.

Rule 4: Spread disk access across as many disks as you have. If you have OS & programs on disk C:, set your pagefile on another disk. Also set your pagefile to a fixed size, preferably somewhere around 1.5 times your physical memory.

Rule 5: Turn off index search and compression. Both will cause severe performance hits if you leave them on.

Rule 6: If the fill rate on any of your SATA disks goes over 60-70% it is time to get a larger or an additional disk.

Rule 7: Perform regular defrags on all of your disks. For instance, you can schedule this daily during your lunch break.

Rule 8: Keep your disks cool by using adequate airflow by means of additional fans if needed. You can use SMART to monitor disk temperatures, which should be under 35 degrees C at all times and normally hover around 20-24 C, at least in a properly cooled system.

Rule 9: If people want raid, the cheapest way is to use the on-board IHCR or Marvell chip, but it places a relatively high burden on the CPU. The best way is a hardware controller card, preferably based on the IOP348 chip. Areca ARC and ADAPTEC come to mind. 3Ware uses it's own chipset and though not bad, they are not in the same league as the other two. Promise and the like in the budget range are no good and a complete waste of money. Expect to spend around $ 800 plus for a good controller with 12 connectors internally and 4 e-SATA connectors. Important to consider in a purchasing decision is whether the on-board cache memory can be expanded from the regular 256/512 MB to 2 or even 4 GB. Be aware that 2 GB cache can be relatively cheap, but the 4 GB version extremely costly ($ 30 versus $ 300). For safety reasons it is advisable to include a battery backup module (BBM).

Rule 10: If you can easily replace the data in case of disk failure (like rendered files), go ahead and use raid0, but if you want any protection against data loss, use raid 3/5/6/10/30/50. For further protection you can use hot spares, diminishing downtime and performance degradation.


In general when you get a new disk, pay close attention to any rattling noise, do perform regular disk checks, and in case of doubt about reliability, exchange the disk under guarantee. Often a new disk will fail in the first three months. If they survive that period, most of the disks will survive for the next couple of years. If you use a lot of internal disks like I do (17), set staggered spin-up to around 1 second to lessen the burden on the PSU and improve stability.

Hope this helps to answer some basic questions. If not, let me know. Further enhancements and suggestions are welcome.

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    typefilms
    New Participant
    March 11, 2016

    Hello,

    How much sdd storage space is necessary for media cache files and previews files? I want a feedback, please.

    at the moment I work with xavc Intra and long  1080*1920. In near future I will work with 4k xavc

    The sequences is arround 1h.50 timeline duration

    I thinking about

    Kingston hyperx 3K  240GB for media cache files

    Sandisk extreme pro 240GB for preview files and Export

    what do you think ??? this space storage is enought??

    all the best

    ECBowen
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2016

    Ideally you want a 512GB SSD for the media cache and AE cache. A 256GB SSD will handle it but you will have to clear it more often and the smaller size will use the endurance rating quicker. I would suggest a Samsung 850 Pro either way.

    Eric

    ADK

    Participating Frequently
    March 20, 2012

    Claire,

    Someone else will have to confirm that media files only get read from and your project file obviously only gets written to when you hit save.  At least thats my understanding and why I dumped them on a ssd drive.  Your pagefile, think of it as system memory that resides on a drive.  Like memory it gets read/written constantly and would be better served by a platter drive, in raid configuration for best performance.  With the drives I had laying around I settled on this for my system:

    c: system -ssd

    d: pagefile, cache and preview files - hdd raid 0

    e: media files, project files- ssd raid 0

    external nas in raid 5 with all my media files backed up.  I accept the hours I put into the project file being lost if I loose a raid 0 ssd drive.  I guess I could move that, but don't really know how a project file affects the performance of premiere.  If HD were not so expensive now, maybe I would look into a four drive system, per previous recommendations.

    Participating Frequently
    March 20, 2012

    If the preview files and cache are on a seperate drive, what writting would be involved with the media drive? (other than occasional saves of your project file).  I understand the importance of having the cache on a non ssd drive, but I thought just having the media files on a ssd would be good?

    Participating Frequently
    March 20, 2012

    Jim & Gf,

    Many thanks for the responses and ideas. I now understand about not using SSD's where there is very frequent writing. A problem with my limited knowledge is I'm not too sure which categories (ie media, projects, pagefile etc etc) of materials are accessed / written to so often as to make them non-starters for SSD.

    So, you are saying that project files and media are suitable candidates for the 'spare' SSD - what about the pagefile ?

    Thanks for you help.

    regards,

    Claire

    Participating Frequently
    March 19, 2012

    Okay, after reflecting on the couple of replies which had fine advice and also reading many threads I've decided on a semi-upgrade - new GTX570 graphics, RAM to 12GB (only 3 slots on my mobo) and new 2 x HDD.

    So, 3 questions

    - any views on the Samsung F3 HD103SJ 1TB internal Hard Drive SATAII 32MB Cache 7200RPM ? These are ~ 78% of the cost of WD Caviar Black (£88 vs £112). Sometimes it's not made clear if a drive is 'green'. Many drives have phrases like energy efficient and so on and the Samsung site is useless for info. I'm thinking of getting two of these Samsung drives (unless advice otherwise).

    - I already have a good 128GB SSD system drive and a 1TB Samsung HD103UJ. With the two new drives, I will follow the 4 disk option in the guidelines for disk usage chart. Does it matter which of the three uses (D or E or F) the older HD103UJ is used for or are these 3 drives so similar as to not matter ?

    - I also have a spare Samsung 64GB MLC SSD. Is there any merit is installing this as well eg dedicated for the pagefile and/or other files handy to keep to one side.

    Okay - a 4th question ... with the above disks are there any different configurations that make more sense ?

    Just to clarify - my PP use is hobby-ist and so no delivery presures etc. Although nothing I do is critical, I do have a couple of 2TB 'green' drives that I will use for backups.

    Many thanks,

    Claire

    Participating Frequently
    March 19, 2012

    Claire,

    I just went with the 500gb Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ in raid 0.  Which motherboard are you using?  One problem I had with an Asus p6t is that after 6 drives it uses an IDE controller and the performance decreased.

    Participating Frequently
    March 20, 2012

    Hi and thanks for the replies.

    Gf1317 - my mobo is Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R. I'm struggling to see the significant differences (capacity aside) between the F3 HD103SJ and the F3 HD502HJ that you mention. The Samsung site redirects to Seagate and the info is poor.

    Bill Gehrke - the Seagate is around £100 with Amazon and so not too bad. I seem to remember reading that a certain generation of Seagate drives were to be avoided but the newer models are okay; is this correct.

    Any thoughts on my other questions especially using my spare 64GB SSD for pagefile.

    Many thanks.

    Claire

    Participating Frequently
    March 14, 2012

    Are hard drives still recommended over ssd for scratch disks, or has that changed recently?  With the elevated prices of hard drives, I'm wondering if I should be looking at a ssd drive instead?  I'm thinking 500g in raid 0 ($400) vs a 240g sdd ($300)?

    Brainiac
    March 14, 2012

    First off, SSDs still aren't durable enough for long-term use for repeated writes and rewrites. You see, SSDs still have a limited number of rewrite cycles. At the rate the scratch disk is rewriting, you would have used up the SSD's entire life cycle in as little as just a few days! And the factory warranties do not cover such abusive wear and tear. Thus, in such a circumstance, you might have to pay as much as tens of thousands of dollars every week just to even replace those SSDs.

    Second, NEVER RAID any SSD unless it's specifically designed for RAID! Raiding a consumer SSD will completely defeat the TRIM function and will not only degrade performance, but will also cause even more frequent failures. In the worst cases, a RAIDed SSD array will fail after only a few minutes of operation.

    These are the reasons why hard drives are still better suited for those situations that require multiple repeated rewrites in such a short period of time despite the higher hard disk prices. But now, hard drive prices are now slowly beginning to fall: A month ago, the 1TB WD Black cost all of $250 plus shipping at Newegg. Now, it costs $140 plus shipping - still about $50 higher than the amount that same drive cost just six months ago.

    Participating Frequently
    February 23, 2012

    #5 for life... worked very well for me...thanks!

    Participating Frequently
    February 15, 2012

    Hi Harm,

    Was wondering if you could advise. I was looking at Rule #3 on your guide. I'm not sure I can afford 3 discs so was considering a 2 Disc set up (2x 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm, 32MB Cache). I'm mainly using CS4 Ppro for HD video (<15mins in length) and some after effects. How crucial is a 3 disc set up? Will I still get good speed on that set up? And is it worth upgrading to 64MB caches?

    spec is:

    Intel i7 2600K 3.4GHz

    Asus P8Z68-V Pro

    8GB RAM

    Nvidia EVGA GTX 550Ti

    2x 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm, 32MB Cache

    Windows 7 Pro

    Thanks a lot

    Tom

    Harm_Millaard
    Inspiring
    February 15, 2012

    Given that you already have two disks, the investment would be one additional disk. You would definitely notice that in performance. Changing disks to 64 MB cache models would only marginally improve performance if at all and would be much more costly.

    The half duplex nature of SATA disks means that traffic in one direction (reading or writing) must finish first before traffic in the other direction can begin. That causes delays you would not have with another disk, because one can be used for traffic in one direction and the other disk for traffic in the other direction.

    Participating Frequently
    March 14, 2012

    Nope. Remember, Harm stated "No GREEN disks at all"! This means that the Green drive should not even be inside your PC's case at all - but instead put into an external enclosure with eSATA and/or USB 3.0 capability. Here are three reasons why:

    1) Their much slower than minimum spindle speed: The WD Green drives spin at a very slow 5400 RPM (as I noted in a previous post).

    2) Most Green drives also have relatively slow random access speed - as much as 22ms instead of the 15ms of the average 7200 RPM hard drive.

    3) Many Green drives (and all of the Western Digital Caviar Green drives) spin themselves down after a firmware-set period and cannot be overridden or disabled at all whatsoever! That means that the drives will simply ignore any software- or Windows-set spin-down times unless those times are less than the firmware-set time. In other words, if you have Windows to never power down any drives, the Green drives will power themselves down anyway. And every spin-down and spin-up can (and does) cause crashes in Premiere Pro, especially in the middle of a long encode.

    However, points 1) and 2) are not as critical as point 3). The constant spinning down and spinning up of the Green drives will destabilize an editing system that expects every single installed drive to perform at its maximum speed and performance at all times.

    This is the basis for my (and Harm's) assessment of Green drives in an editing system.


    I was reluctant to ask this as there have been so many similar threads – but as always your own case is slightly different and I cannot find an answer to my specific question or the threads are a couple of years old. I've read so many threads that I'm now more than a bit addled (well, I am blonde).

    So – I've just ordered Production Premium and it is for non-critical / non-commercial / non-urgent stuff ie no demands or pressures. I would primarily be working with EOS5d MKII stills and videos and expect Premiere and Encore to be used most to create both DVD and blu ray.

    Cannot remember all my PC specs but non HDD key items are i7 @ 2.7gGHz; 6GB RAM; Win 7 64 bit; Radeon HD5700 graphics; Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R mobo (sata 2).

    Okay; as for hard disks, currently installed I've a

    • Corsair CSSD-F120GB3-BK Force Series 3 120GB SSD – fast but not reaching the spec speeds as a sata 2 mobo! Plenty of space (80+GB free) 
    • Samsung HD103UJ 1TB; spec says 7200rpm. Pagefile currently on this drive.

    • Maxtor 6V300F0 300GB; few years old but Googled spec says 7200rpm.

    Available to me are 2 x Western Digital Caviar 2TB SATAII 64MB Cache 3.5-inch Green; 2 more of the Maxtor 6V300F0; a Samsung 64GB MLC SSD (was my C drive – too small so replaced by the Corsair); 2 x Maxtor DiamondMax 10 200GB sata 150 HDD (7200rpm I think).

    I've read the 'Guidelines for Disk Usage' and the Adobe spec requirements but would still appreciate any help as there seems to be umpteen possible configurations. My main question is with the WD 2TB drives – this very informative thread states No GREEN disks at all. Considering my 'non-serious' editing - if I could use will their 5400rpm simply impede performance or is it more severe than that and they will effectively not work at all. I do not really want to buy any more HDD's but strong advice otherwise would mean that I will. Would installing any sort of RAID be pointless in my case.

    Apologies if this all sounds a bit lame – I've only modest PC experience and wanted to ask even if I do generate some groans amongst the forum regulars. Much of the excellent help here is quite rightly geared towards professional video production and I'm not sure about the relevance for a hobbyist like myself.

    Many thanks.

    Claire

    Known Participant
    January 30, 2012

    Thanks RjL,

    Two more questions: 

    1) I have separate drives for media, OS/Programs, and render.  I am setting up my RAID 0 render drive right now (don't worry, I regularly back-up to a RAID 1 NAS), and in order for the computer to see my drive obviously I have to initialize it.  It's asking me if I want to initialize it as a MBR or a GPT.  Not sure which to choose, please help.  I'm assuming MBR is OK since I'm well under 2TB. 

    The drive is two 450GB Velociraptors RAIDed off of the motherboard controller if that makes a difference (I know, I know, get a hardware controller right?  Well, someday).

    2)

    Rule 1: NEVER partition a disk.

    I set my C: drive (OS/programs) to MBR and it seems to have partitioned itself.  Should get rid of the partition, or does that not make a difference on the C; drive?  I don't mind reinstalling my OS and everything to get the best setup

    I'm using Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

    Known Participant
    January 27, 2012
    

    Rule 5: Turn off index search and compression. Both will cause severe performance hits if you leave them on.

    Sorry, I have confusion about this.  What does this refer to and where is this done?  In the OS or in Adobe?

    Brainiac
    January 27, 2012

    RFDPiper wrote:

    

    Rule 5: Turn off index search and compression. Both will cause severe performance hits if you leave them on.

    Sorry, I have confusion about this.  What does this refer to and where is this done?  In the OS or in Adobe?

    In the OS.

    Known Participant
    January 27, 2012

    Thanks for the fast reply, but where in the OS?

    New Participant
    July 28, 2011

    Hello guys,

    Another FCP switcher here  ^_^

    I'm in the middle of building a rig, and have opted for a 6 disk areca controlled RAID3 setup similar to many threads on this forum.

    I am now wondering about which drives to put in there, I know the Samsungs are popular, and of course no green disks etc. 
    Would it a big enough performance increase to put 6 velociraptors in there for the price?
    Thanks for any help or advice! 
    ^_^

    Frédéric Segard
    New Participant
    July 28, 2011

    Welcome fellow switcher!

    A good drive, tested by Areca with their controlers, very affordable, and a good all around performer, is the Hitachi 7K300 series. Raptor drives in a RAID is kind of useless. Way to expensive for very little gain (at that price, might as well take SSDs). But at roughly $65 for a 1.5TB SATA III drive, you can install drives to your heart's content (or to the maximum number of ports on your card, which ever comes first), and see a tremendous gain in speed.