Discuss: ProRes RAW support

Inspiring

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

Great job Adobe team! The colour science is looking SOOOOO much better. Patiently and eagerly awaiting that RAW to Log transform. But this at least opens the door for me to play around a bit more.

THANK YOU and keep up the great work. Almost there!

Inspiring

For those wanting an NLog starting point in Premiere Pro Beta to hold you over until they get RAW to Log Conversion going, here's a LUT you can use that I created tonight... https://www.dropbox.com/s/u188y70pwgpiqsf/NIKON_Prores_RAW_to_NLOG_5600K.cube?dl=0

Now, I haven't tested it yet but it looks pretty close on the charts I used to test.

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timm54129936

Participant

Great that this is finally out! Thank you. Import of ProRes Raw files works great.

However I was a little dissapointed to only find exposure control in the master tab of my effect controls. What about information & control over ISO, white-balance, noise reduction, raw to log conversion or general settings for colour space, gamma curves, etc.? in my opinion, having all these settings and information in the master tab of the effect control (like with R3D or braw files) is really the wohle point of an efficient raw workflow. is that something that has to do with the codec itself or is it the implementation in premiere pro? is that something that's still to come?

Also

thanks
tim

Inspiring

Those are great questions and what I've been trying to find out from this Adobe team.

I asked some of these about a month ago with no answer so far so good luck. It's like trying to squeeze water from a rock with these guys.

They've opted for a very hands off approach to this "beta" program. I'm also basing this on my previous experience working with software development and implementations.

Might as well just submit questions through the end user technical support channels. You'll likely achieve a similar experience.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed by the lack of progress and stepping up on Adobe's end with respect to Prores RAW integration.

I have a specific issue with Nikon Prores RAW footage and I'm ready to work with whoever will listen and wants to work through some testing with me but my attempts to get sh*t moving forward seem to always fall on deaf ears.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

mvaray ...

There is a major difference between simply opening an older project file in a newer version and importing that project file or its assets into a new project file created by the new version. It's all about the metadata getting properly handled.

Simply opening an old project will run into problems quite frequently, especially with metadata-heavy media.

So ...

create a new project in the new version
in that project, use the Premiere Media Browser panel to navigate to the older project file on disc
select the file, right-click/Import, and select whether the whole project or select sequences

Try this process and see if the ProRes RAW now works.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

MVARay

Participating Frequently

Thanks Neil,

Yea I should have learned that by now. I have ran into this issue in the past in other updates.

Also FYI, yes that worked as well. 🙂

Thank you for your thoughts.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

There are so many things we all do ... then remember dang, I shoulda done it that way not this way ... blast ... I KNEW that and forgot it! lol

And as always the best school of learning is the School Of Ultra-Hard Knocks.

My best teacher ever. Sigh ...

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

MVARay

Participating Frequently

Hi there everybody ... So I ran into a new issue.

I have been testing the BETA Premiere Pro with ProRes RAW recorded to my Atomos Shogun.

And it plays back great when I start a new project in the BETA Premiere 14.2.0.

But as a test, I opened up a current project of mine from Premiere Pro 14.0.4, in BETA Pr 14.2.0, and it opens fine, but the ProResRAW Footage I shot stated I needed to update my NVidia Card Drivers.

I then did that, tried again and it still would not work. So, I have come to the conclusion that, if I open an old PR project into the BETA PR, that the ProResRAW ability is still considered blocked in it's file system.

Something else to look at it.

** Edit As I was testing before posting this**

If you open a new BETA PremierePro project, open the ProRes RAW footage in the new edit. Import that footage via the Media Browser into the project, and then copy and paste that into the older Premiere Project opened in the BETA, that works ... lol. Well ... Its a work around, but still something else to look at it.

My specs below:

Camera and File: Sony FS5mkii | Output to Atomos Showgun Inferno | ProResRAW Frame Rate 23.98 | ProResRAW Frame Rate 59.94 | tested both ProResRAW (non HQ) and test ProResRAW HQ

Inspiring

Any update to the way Premiere handles Nikon Prores RAW footage from the Ninja V? Waiting for for that RAW to Log transform fix from you folks.

MVARay

Participating Frequently

Hey there guys,

Not sure if you saw my post on the Beta group for AE, but I will copy and paste that here as well for you guys. 🙂

Alrighty my run into with ProRes RAW in AE.

So in my tests, I have been mainly using ProRes RAW in Premiere. But now I am testing out a green screen shot I did with myself (gotta love Covid and no actors available, lol). And I found that when you bring in footage into AE, the RAW data doesn't stay intact. Also if I send the footage to AE via [Replace with AE Composition] it reverts to the issue. But it does keep the Lumetri information from Premiere.

In Premiere, I am able to go into the lumetri color space and utilize the scopes to see that the highlights are still able to be brought back.

But again, when I bring it into AE, it seems as if it was burnt into the footage.

Just something to look into.

I figured I would put this under BUG and PERFORMANCE for you guys review.

It plays fine in After Effects. Just has this color issue.

To help you guys understand what I am using, here are my specs:

Camera Info : Sony FS5mkii | 12-BIT ProRes RAW recording to Atomos Shogun Inferno | 23.98 fps Frame size: 4112 x 2176 | Square Pixels (1.0)

Premiere BETA [14.2.0] | After Effects BETA [17.1.0]

My Computer Rig: Intel Core i7-8700K | 32GB RAM | Samsung M.2 Main Drive | Samsung 1TB SSD

Windows 10 OS Home

vafombad74085600

Participant

Hey guys and girls, prores raw doesn't work with AMD card? I change my graphic card to AMD now Premiere is not recognizing the codec.

Adobe Employee

Hello Vafombad74085600,

Currently only Nvidia GPU cards with CUDA renderer are supported for ProRes RAW on Windows. Please see listed requirements:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-beta/discuss-prores-raw-support/td-p/11013854?page=1

We are looking into future support for additional cards on Windows.

Best,
Martie

Inspiring

Anybody else have Prores RAW functionality no longer work with the lastest update? I'm on 14.2.0 (Build 20).

I hear the audio but the "media pending" screen for video. When I "disable master clips" then try "source settings", system hangs up. Is anyone even testing to make Prores RAW works before they roll out these betas? Thanks.

Adobe Employee

Hello Ryan,

Can you confirm the issue you are seeing- are you running on Windows?

Are these newly imported ProRes RAW clips or were they imported previously (existing project)?

On Windows PR14.2.0.20, I can reproduce media pending issue if a previous project was opened with existing media files and cache. New project and imports are working if media cache is deleted.
Do you see the same?
A new bug was opened to track.

My tests for Mac 14.2.0.20 have been working w/o issue.

Thanks,

Martie

Adobe Employee

Ryan,

The ProRes RAW bug as described above in Premiere on Windows is fixed and in today's posted beta build.

-Martie

Adobe Employee

Hi Alchemivision,

Thank you for supplying some feedback on your Panasonic ProResRAW workflow in our beta program. In Premiere, we are currently debayering to 709 linear and applying gamma 2.4. For now, adjustments can be done with exposure option in source settings and Color Lumetri contols. With yours and other valuable user feedback, we are discussing future options for color correction workflows.

Best,

Martie

Alchemivision

Participant

Thanks Martie!

That's exaclty the info I needed. I think I've cracked it now!

If I reduce exposure by -4.0 (I'm told there's an exposure correction tag in the ProRes Raw metadata that I guess is being ignored in Premiere) then apply a Rec709 Linear gamma/Rec709 Gamut to Vlog-Vgamma LUT I created in LUTCalc (here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8iq9b8oj1sqfo85/Rec709_Rec709-VLog_VGamut109-109.cube?dl=0) Then I get my footage back to vlog standard (there's a slight error in the gamma but it seems to be close enough!)

I'll shoot a colour chart to check the colours - but I think we're close enough!

I'm not sure if this workflow will work for others - there'll be different exposure compensations needed to each camera I expect, and a different LUT to convert to the right log curve, but it's a start.

Thanks!

Martin Dellicour

Participating Frequently

When I open Z6 raw file, the colors look strange.
Seems that Premiere doesn't show native colors but a more saturated preset.
Is there any possibility at import to recover the "flat" raw file colors ?
On FCP, I can do that through a function on file, called 'Raw to log conversion'. I can make a selection within different log like C-log or S-log... Really handy to apply Luts and get the full power of the raw.

I join an example below.

Thanks, Martin

Manish_Kulkarni

Author

Community Manager

Hi Martin,

For ProRes RAW color corrections, you can use:
- ProRes RAW Source Settings to adjust Exposure

- Lumetri Color for all other adjustments

We are looking into adding other controls in the future.

Manish

Martin Dellicour

Participating Frequently

Thanks Manish, I tried both.

But the trouble is that it is impossible to recover the flat file to make some edit.
Exposure correction is cool but incomplete, the Z6 raw file opened in premiere looks unreal and saturated (first image on preview).
That makes the edit with lumetri pretty hard...

Martin

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jonathang35395647

Participating Frequently

Hello-

I would be interested in getting th latest Beta version if possible... I downloaded the PP beta and it is the 14.0 version. Any way you could link me to the latest version with PRR capabilities? Thanks!!!