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April 15, 2017

P: Video capture time shifted by time zone offset

  • April 15, 2017
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I recently got a 5D IV and just noticed that capture times on video files shows 5 hours ahead in Lightroom (photos are fine). This causes videos taken late in the day to be imported into the folder for the next day. I'm running the latest Lightroom (6.10) and 5D Firmware (1.04). I checked my old 5D Mark III videos and they are fine. 

I suspect Lightroom ins't picking up the timezone info and is using UTC time.  Is this a bug?

57 replies

johnrellis
Legend
October 2, 2020

We can hope that this becomes a higher priority for the LR team as more popular cameras start obeying the QuickTime standard.

Participating Frequently
October 2, 2020

@John_R_Ellis

Thank you so much. I appreciate that you took the time to explain this topic/issue in such detail.  So I will probably have to get used to correct the recording time in LR manually by +/-x hours. At least, now I know the reason 🙂 Thanks.

johnrellis
Legend
October 1, 2020

"We have to deal with it because Nikon does not follow a mp4 standard?"

 

It's more complicated -- it appears that Nikon is following the standard,  whereas most cameras don't. Details:

 

The QuickTime standard, which was poorly written, calls for capture time to be recorded in UTC and doesn't provide a standard field to record time zone. But cameras without GPS often don't know the time zone, so most such cameras record local time (whatever the camera clock is set to).  Given that reality, by default LR interprets the capture time as recorded in local time (contrary to the standard).

 

But some cameras, especially smart phones with GPS, know their time zone, and they record UTC in the capture-time field (obeying the de jure standard) and record the time zone in a manufacturer-specific field. It would be straightforward for LR to read those manufacturer-specific fields (it does it for raws, after all). 

 

However, comments in this forum by Adobe employees indicate that Adobe considers such fields "proprietary" and won't access them without contractual permission from the manufacturers.  Getting such permission is tedious, time consuming, and expensive, since it involves the legal departments of multiple large companies. It appears that this hasn't become a priority for Adobe or the camera manufacturers.

 

Adobe did get permission for Apple iPhones, and thus LR reads the capture time correctly for iPhone videos. An Adobe employee indicated they'd do it for Canon cameras, but I'm not sure that was ever completed.

 

It sounds like the Nikon Z 50 is following the standard and recording UTC time in the capture-time field and may be recording the time zone in another field. But since Adobe likely hasn't made a special exception for the cameras (as they have for iPhones) and obtained contractual permission from Nikon, LR is interpreting that UTC field as local time.

 

This issue doesn't arise with photos, since every manufacturer interpreted the EXIF standard to mean that local time should be recorded in the standard field EXIF:DateTimeOriginal.

 

Inspiring
October 27, 2022

The short: video assets are approx 4 hrs offset from actual time in LR Classic. Issue persists with multiple cameras and on multiple computers. Issue does not affect photos, only video. 

 

The long: I noticed in the last few months that video files have been ending up at the tail end of each days collection when they should be mixed in with the photos. Then I noticed the timestamps were wrong -- about 4 or so hours off. Not exactly 4 hrs but wondering if the length of the clip may account for that since they're about 3 or 4 minutes off from being exactly 4 hrs with 3 or 4 minute length clips. About 4 hrs 1 minute off for 30 second clips, etc. 

 

I noticed this issue persists with multiple cameras, including my iphone and in LR Classic on my Mac Studio and MBP.

See attached images for LR timestamp vs. the correct timestamp shown in Finder. 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated since this is leading to other issues!

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 27, 2022
Participating Frequently
October 1, 2020

Just did another test by setting the time zone in my z50 to UTC 0. Same result. Video (.mov or .mp4) are -1 hour compared to a raw file captured a few seconds after the video.

 

I don't get it...

Participating Frequently
October 1, 2020

@8510810

If I check the time directly on the back of my Z50 or on the SD card with ViewNX from Nikon, the capture time is correct.

 

@6669945_Ellis

Not sure if I get this correct. We have to deal with it because Nikon does not follow a mp4 standard? Just did a test with both video formats I can switch between. mov and mp4. Same issue in LR with both. 

 

All is fine as usual with Nikon SW, just LR does not show the time correct anymore.

Participant
October 1, 2020

No idea. But on the camera display, it is shown correctly. 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 1, 2020

Does Nikon's software show the correct time or is it also shifted by two hours?

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participant
October 1, 2020

Hi,

same here. Capture time of Raw images is correct but for movies 2h ahead, e.g. 8:42 instead of 10:42.

alex.furer
Known Participant
September 30, 2020

Just a hunch, but  your camera might be in a different timezone, or has "wrong" daylight saving settings.

 

Oups, just read the whole thing. Fell into the headline reading trap. Sorry!