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120 fps proxies no longer work in Premiere Pro

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December 8, 2022
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To my understanding Adobe has always had trouble with really bad workarounds to make proxies for 120fps footage within adobe premiere. Everything ive followed online to make succesful 120fps proxies WITHIN adobe never works, always buggy or something that tweaks out and is extremely inconsistent.

I have been using shutter encoder to make my 120fps proxies and it has worked flawlessly for a year or so now. Woke up to an update (22.6.2) and 120fps proxies no longer work.
24 and 60fps works fine. But 120fps proxies are now literally slower to scrub, playback,and render than without proxies now.
Im using my sony a7siii: XAVC S 4k, 120 fps, 10bit
( if you're a a7siii user, you know that premiere does not like these codecs/formats and chokes really hard trying to playback this footage so proxies are an absolute must)

Does anyone have a fix or any possible solutions?

Lots of people seem to settle with interpreting the footage within premiere and having their proxies playback slowed down. This is not an option for me. I need my proxies to play back in real time and slow them down as needed.

Error or problem

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Kent34599654w9ln

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I had the same problem, I did find a workaround -

In Premiere go to - File - Project Settings - General - Video Rendering and Playback - (change to) Mercury Playback Engine Software Only

Dont know why it works but it works for me.

ian_gray

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I THINK I FOUND A SOLUTION! In my case, it's to manually interpret the footage using the original frame rate. If I manually tell Premiere to interpret the footage that it already sees at 119.88 FPS again as 119.88 FPS, then I get smooth playback!

This issue of 120fps proxy footage not scrubbing smoothly has plagued me now for years! I have footage from a Sony FX3 that I shot in 120fps. It plays okay, but I want proxies, so I can easily scrub through the footage. The proxies themselves scrub smoothly and instantly. But when I pair the original video with the proxy in Premiere, it takes 10 seconds to scrub to a single frame!

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Are you changing speed with Speed/Duration?

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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SawdustFilms

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My 120fps footage slowed down to 20% is not working at all.

evank71666016

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I've been editing in Premier Pro for 7+ years with almost the exact same workflow with proxies. 23/30 FPS and 60/120 FPS off Sony and Canon cameras. Now after recent updates to Premier Pro (yay...), any footage above 30 FPS that I created proxies for WILL NOT play compared to the 30 FPS and under footage. This has royally screwed multiple projects of mine by decreasing the speed I edit by 5x if not more. I edit 10+ videos a week and my business and reputation has suffered thanks to updates like these.

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eddy007

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I also have the same problem - 119.88 fps video file on a 29.97 timeline, realtime playback (no re-interpretation or slowing down).
1. Original HEVC file plays fine
2. Once proxy is created, playback freezes/it's incredibly slow
3. Proxy file itself plays fine, both in a system player and when imported directly to the same timeline
4. This doesn't happen when the original file is ProRes 120fps
5. This happens on both MacOS and Windows
6. Premiere version 23.3.0

Adobe please fix this

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eddy007

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Same issue happens with VFR videos (variable frame rate). Also when the video doesn't have an audio channel (only on some files though, and adding a silent audio track fixes the issue). The behavior is exactly the same. I have files to reproduce, where can I send them?

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kru5e

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Bump!
This issue is still present in Verion 23.3.0.
I use proxies all the time as they enhance speed so much.

But ProRes Proxies of 120p footage are unusable. Just displaying one frame takes around 10 seconds in Premiere.
At this point it's faster to work with the original, highly compressed footage.

Reading that this issue was not present in older verions and wasn't fixed in noumerous updates is so frustrating!

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

Hi kru5e,

Thanks for your message. May I ask what the frame rate is for your sequence in Sequence Settings? Are you interpreting the footage to 24 fps? Let us know. Hope to help.

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

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kru5e

Participant

Hey Kevin,

Thank you for responding!

The frame rate of my sequence is 29.97 drop-frame, and my source footage and proxies are at 119.88 fps. The resolution of the sequence also matches the source footage.

I am not interpreting the footage, and the files are stored on fast SSDs.

Ironically, directly imported 119.88 fps proxy files work without problems and play back smoothly.

I tried to create ProRes files with another encoder in different resolutions and had the same result:

The proxy files are not the issue.

It's only when you link the 120p proxies and toggle proxy mode on that the performance drops significantly and media pending screens start to occur.

Thank you,

Michael

chrish3883429

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All of my 4k 120 slow motion footage is completely uneditable and my work is at a standstill. I normally proxy all my footage and even doing this has made it worse. Which version should I downgrade to?

Anybody have a solution?

Mod note: Edited for content

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Myles Charron

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I assume I'm going through same problem. Using shutter encoder to proxy my AVC-S 4K 120FPS footage and it's completely uneditable with proxies on. TImeline is horrondusly slow. Beyond frustrated right now.

RedFoxProdAuthor

Participating Frequently

reverting to V22.1.2 worked for me, very frustrating but it did fix that issue for me

chrish3883429

Participant

Hello. Recently I've been experiencing the same issue i think. I shoot in K 120, XAVC S, 4K, 10 bit. I also edit on a 23.976 timeline sequence. I'm not sure what has happened but its a nightmare editing my slow motion footage now. I normally use proxies all the time but for some reason it has made it even slower! Are you saying the solution to this is to downgrade to an earlier version of premiere pro? All my other footage works and edits seamlessly. This is a frustrating ordeal with premiere pro....

chrish3883429

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Also, is adobe aware of this issue? Are many sony a7siii users experiencing this too? I hope they can release an update soon on this....

RedFoxProdAuthor

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Im not making proxies with media encoder so it may be different for you if thats your method of making proxies.
Im using a 3rd party app, "Shutter Encoder" which i had to revert back to and older version of adobe for it to work properly again. Version: 22.1.2
As far as a fix for media encoder, I cant say from first hand expierence but one of my editors makes his 120fps proxies in media encoder and said the update messed up all of his current projects with proxies for him as well. He also couldnt find a fix and had to revert to an older version

RedFoxProdAuthor

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UPDATE: I found that rolling back all the way to V22.1.2 allows my 120fps proxies to work with no problem!! Any newer version after that, it does not work whatsoever for adobe 2022 and 2023 doesnt work either 😞
Again, this is for making 120fps proxies externally with "Shutter Encoder", so this may not apply to those making proxies within adobe/media encoder.

I always prefer to do everything i can within the same program so i dont have to hop around to differnt applications, but in this case shutter encoder has made my editing workflow tremendously easier than trying to get consistent workable proxies within adobe/media encoder. at the time of me trying to make proxies in adobe, it didnt allow me to make any proxies over 60fps. ( there may be new adobe proxy making methods im just not aware about at this point though!)

This put me out of work for quite some time so i hope this helps any fellow Sony a7siii users that are on the same or similar workflow to myself!

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Are you using the clips on 120fps sequences?

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

RedFoxProdAuthor

Participating Frequently

I am using them in a 23.976 sequence!

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