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P: Morph cut - Analyzing in Background never completes

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October 10, 2015
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I have a simple headshot cutting to the same head, same everything a few seconds later.

All other transitions work find. I try morph cut and see 'Analyzing in background.' Never see sign of progress - should I see it chewing through frames somehow?

I have gone to project settings. Tried both rendering settings. One thing - When I do GPU acceleration my still frames look like garbage - example:

http://www.screencast.com/t/rPiWL6yL

Software acceleration looks fine. No idea if these items are related.

Have run through all preferences. Don't see anything that might be turned off. BTW - working with MBP 15" late 2013. Latest OS.

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Simon24441138undf

Participant

When I use morph cut in premiere it works fine during the preview, when the timeline is red, but when I render, either a preview or exporting a file, I get a simple fade transition instead. I click "analyze background" on the morph cut, that section of the timeline goes from green to red, and the cut works properly again.

I have tried rendering different formats, exporting using previews, and disabling "render at maximum quality" which seem to be the go-to's for troubleshooting morph cut problems but none of these have worked.

I'm using premiere pro 2024 version 24.0.0 on a macbook m1 max running sonoma 14.2.1. I've attched a file I've made that exemplifies this problem (the png's are the media sources for the file, what I'm trying to morph between).

morphcut_test.zip

Ann Bens

Community Expert

Morph cut is designed for fixed shots that have a single talking head and a static background (for best results)

So I am not surprised its not working.

Best is to use After Effects for morphing.

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Simon24441138undf

Participant

Thank you for your response. I understand what you're saying and I'm okay with a glitchy-looking morph. If you look at this very short screencapture I did doesn't it seem strange though? these two clips are exactly the same except the first one I clicked "analyze background" on the morph cut after rendering the entire sequence in to out (first clip is what I want the second is the simple fade transition I get when rendering) . I just find it weird that it's displaying the desired morph effect before I render it.

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Legend

The team needs more info about your system and media to assist with morph-cut issues.

Feel free to create a feature request for an updated effect here.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Legend

Hello mbpm, and community,

I'm Kevin from support, one of the moderators here. Thanks for the bug report.

I apologize for the issues this effect sometimes causes. A product team member would be better at explaining this, but in my own experience using it, it's not a new effect and was created when certain workflows didn't exist yet. Reading through here, nesting can assist with legacy scaling issues, and transcoding can help with other unforeseen issues. The thread contains some other really great advice.

I highly advise you to read the documentation:

See this blog post: https://adobe.ly/3SfBDiD

See also the user guide: https://adobe.ly/3SfBWtN

This thread really lacks details about people's systems, media, and workflows. If you are experiencing trouble with the effect, please provide full details about your system, the media, and the workflow you use so that the team, Adobe Experts, and other community members can better assist you.

I hope that a product team member can chime in with more details.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

Tom_Paragon

Participant

If users have to read several manuals and follow countless USER IDENTIFIED workarounds to use a drag and drop feature then it doesn’t work. We shouldn’t need to a PHD in a feature to trouble shoot. Absolutely sick of coming onto Adobe forums to find the on/off problem I have that takes me ages to fix (or not) has existed for 5-10 years. 10 years of peoples specs and you’re still asking for more. REMOVE THE OPTION. Why is it even there if you can’t get it to reliably work? Adobe is a swearword. The company owes its customers their subscription cost x3 for how much time is wasted trying to overcome bugs that have existed forever. Absolute shambles. Stick that in your engagement strategy.

angusa83618842

Participating Frequently

Nest the top clips you want to apply the morph cut to, inside the nested clip apply the morph cut - this is a workaround that shouldnt need to be made - Adobe have had almost a decade to fix this and they haven't - why are we paying so much when they don't iron out bugs like this a decade later?

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Bennett5FA1

Participant

It's been 6 years and this is still the only workaround that worked. Thank you!

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Michael Grenadier

Legend

this is an enormous thread and I don't have the time to review the entire conversation, but... I'd suggest transcoding your source clips for the morph cut to an all iframe format like the appropriate flavor of prores rather if the original clips are an mpeg format like mp4 where each frame is not discreet... Happy to go into more detail of my thinking on this if anyone's interested. I almost always transcode my source material to prores or at least create prores proxies... and never see this problem..

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crollur

Participant

well i'm using premiere pro 2024 [version 203.0 (build 59)] and still have to uses every tsingle tip in this thread to get it to work. and sometimes it still doesn't and i have to use some other meathod of transition. so it's clearlyt still buggy and not fixed

Peru Bob

Community Expert

I sort of dread updating my Premiere, but I did... it sort of did it without my permission.

By @Tom34127479bu9o

You can turn that off in the Creative Cloud app.

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Josh32581006mhd1

Participant

I just read one comment in here that said it might be and Issue with file size and/or being a render issue sice the morph cut was being applied to the 'same clip' (thats the point - haha)....BUT they did suggest, essntially doing a render and replace of the clips on the timline and then re-aplying the morph cut. Which is a solid idea, however, I was having the same issues as you, I was about to 'render and replace' but I had to FLATTEN the clips cause they were in a multi-cam sequence!!! I flattend, applied the morph cut and it worked as we've all come to expect....so...yeah....doesnt seem to work on multi-cam/nested clips. -Peace

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Tom34127479bu9o

Participant

Thanks for the reply.

My typical use of it is during an interview to cut out stumbles or remove asides and it isn't in a place where I would normally cover with b-roll. So very little changes in frame. And I won't even try if the person's head isn't essentially in the same position. So it's the perfect way to use Morph Cut, in my estimation.

While I feel I've tried all sorts of methods to kick the Morph Analyzer into action to no avail, there is good news. I sort of dread updating my Premiere, but I did... it sort of did it without my permission. In any case, Morph is now working better for me than it ever has. So maybe they're trying to address the concerns.

Thanks for reaching out.
Tom

Glenda29038675honx

Inspiring

Same here. Issues seem to have resolved for me with the latest updates. I don't have to nest sequences anymore with the latest versions. I know it says "analyzing in background" but I now always wait with the playhead over the morph until its done analyzing, because I don't quite trust it yet. 😄 But it only takes like 30 seconds to a minute.

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