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January 27, 2012
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P: Ability to invert negative scans to positives (color and black-and-white)

  • January 27, 2012
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I would dearly like to see the Lightroom 4 Beta team implement an additional feature in the final release. That feature would be the ability to take a camera+macro lens image of a B&W negative -- essentially a camera-based scan of a negative -- and invert the negative image to a positive image at the beginning of the development process in such a way that the resulting sliders in the LR4 Develop Module would not operate in reverse. As I understand it, this capability exists in Photoshop, but I don't own Photoshop. I do own Photoshop Elements 9, but that program only supports an 8-bit workflow, not 16-bits per channel, and round-tripping between LR & PSE9 requires the reimportation of a TIFF file that is more than twice the size of my NEF RAW files. Since this programming wizardry already exists in Photoshop, I would think that it would be a relatively simple matter to transfer and adapt that code for LR4 -- but then, I'm not a programmer, so what do I know...

I've been digitizing 40-year-old Kodachrome slides from my Peace Corps days in Africa, using a 55mm Micro-Nikkor (macro) lens, coupled to a Nikon ES-1 Slide Copy Attachment, and even on a D300s body, I can get truly excellent results. I can't wait to continue that work using the pending 36 megapixel Nikon D800 body with an upgraded f/2.8 macro lens (mine is the old 55mm f/3.5 design). I really, REALLY want to be able to camera-scan my many B&W negatives without having to generate huge intermediate TIFF files.

You can respond to this request by emailing me, Jeff Kennedy Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to review and consider my request. I LOVE Lightroom 3, and from what I've seen, I'm going to love LR4 even more. I REALLY appreciate the effort that Adobe takes to solicit input from the photographic user community.

BTW, if the feature I request *can't* be implemented right away, could the LR support team provide detailed, interim instructions as to how to use the "backwards" sliders, and in what sequence? That would be very much appreciated. I'm sure many older LR users have considerable analog image collections that they would like to digitize, and doing so in-camera is both 1) of surprisingly high quality, 2) MUCH faster than using flatbed scanners and 3) of much higher quality and resolution than flatbed scan and MUCH cheaper than professional drum scans.

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Participant
February 18, 2022

Is er in Camera RAW de zelfde mogelijkheid als in Photoshop aanwezig om het beeld negatief te maken (Ctrl+I) dit zou een gewldige oplossing zijn om mijn kleurennegatieven om te zetten naar een positief beeld.

 

stevel24076854
Participating Frequently
December 4, 2020

It's obvious you haven't been using it as long as I have. And it's obvious you hate me.  Ya know, I don't like you either.   

Legend
December 4, 2020

@796284_lehman

I have Light Room. I own it. I don't subscribe to it. No need for me.  It came FREE with Elements, an add-on.

Your comment makes it quite clear that you don't have or use Lightroom Classic. You can't even use its correct name.

PSE never ever came with Lightroom as a free add-on. PSE comes with a cut-down version of Camera Raw which enables PSE users to open RAW files.

Light Room only has light's and dark's but no editing.

This statement indicates you have an old version of PSE which came with a very basic version of Camera Raw. It is not Lightroom.

It is now obvious that you know nothing about Lightroom Classic or understand its non-destructive workflow. Your comments are not relevant to this feature request.

I will not participate further, and will not further comment...

Just do it and stop making unhelpful comments in this thread.

Inspiring
December 4, 2020

Nope. That does work for monochrome but colors don't "reverse" correctly (color doesn't work that way). Try the Negative Lab Pro Lightroom plugin suggestion I made earlier, $99.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
December 4, 2020

Let me just say, a little birdie told me that Adobe is aware of this need and maybe, we'll see something to address it in the future. In the meantime, any other workarounds or recommendations above and beyond "Adobe please do this" would be constructive. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Todd Shaner
Legend
December 4, 2020

I'm getting very good results with color negative film as far back as the early 1970s Kodacolor X). Here's an article on my workflow using LR for orange mask removal and PS with an action for inversion, toning, and color correction. Here's an article Mark Segal and I wrote on scannerless capture with more details.

https://luminous-landscape.com/scannerless-digital-capture-and-processing-of-negative-film-photographs/

Kodacolor II Color negative from 1979 using the above mentioned processing.

Participating Frequently
December 4, 2020

With old photos and old negatives, face recognition can be very helpful.  It ha limits and doesn't work all the time - but when it does it is useful.

The slider issue is why the plug-in and a Lightroom enhancement is so useful.

Known Participant
December 4, 2020

Yes but: it breaks all the sliders for adjustments (they work either backwards or just wacky), plus it breaks face recognition (and maybe guided upright and other tools that require image analysis). 

Inspiring
December 4, 2020

"True, but no use for a raw, non-destructive workflow."

But the quality of the Kodak negative films I've inverted either with my D850 or using LR is so poor that its not worth doing any serious editing on them. Converting to jpgs is about all they are worth - holiday snaps!!

Bob Frost