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Jan 27, 2012 4:42 AM UTC
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P: Ability to invert negative scans to positives (color and black-and-white)

I would dearly like to see the Lightroom 4 Beta team implement an additional feature in the final release. That feature would be the ability to take a camera+macro lens image of a B&W negative -- essentially a camera-based scan of a negative -- and invert the negative image to a positive image at the beginning of the development process in such a way that the resulting sliders in the LR4 Develop Module would not operate in reverse. As I understand it, this capability exists in Photoshop, but I don't own Photoshop. I do own Photoshop Elements 9, but that program only supports an 8-bit workflow, not 16-bits per channel, and round-tripping between LR & PSE9 requires the reimportation of a TIFF file that is more than twice the size of my NEF RAW files. Since this programming wizardry already exists in Photoshop, I would think that it would be a relatively simple matter to transfer and adapt that code for LR4 -- but then, I'm not a programmer, so what do I know...

I've been digitizing 40-year-old Kodachrome slides from my Peace Corps days in Africa, using a 55mm Micro-Nikkor (macro) lens, coupled to a Nikon ES-1 Slide Copy Attachment, and even on a D300s body, I can get truly excellent results. I can't wait to continue that work using the pending 36 megapixel Nikon D800 body with an upgraded f/2.8 macro lens (mine is the old 55mm f/3.5 design). I really, REALLY want to be able to camera-scan my many B&W negatives without having to generate huge intermediate TIFF files.

You can respond to this request by emailing me, Jeff Kennedy Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to review and consider my request. I LOVE Lightroom 3, and from what I've seen, I'm going to love LR4 even more. I REALLY appreciate the effort that Adobe takes to solicit input from the photographic user community.

BTW, if the feature I request *can't* be implemented right away, could the LR support team provide detailed, interim instructions as to how to use the "backwards" sliders, and in what sequence? That would be very much appreciated. I'm sure many older LR users have considerable analog image collections that they would like to digitize, and doing so in-camera is both 1) of surprisingly high quality, 2) MUCH faster than using flatbed scanners and 3) of much higher quality and resolution than flatbed scan and MUCH cheaper than professional drum scans.

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Inspiring
Dec 4, 2020 5:45 PM UTC

Nope. That does work for monochrome but colors don't "reverse" correctly (color doesn't work that way). Try the Negative Lab Pro Lightroom plugin suggestion I made earlier, $99.

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TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
Dec 4, 2020 3:55 PM UTC

Let me just say, a little birdie told me that Adobe is aware of this need and maybe, we'll see something to address it in the future. In the meantime, any other workarounds or recommendations above and beyond "Adobe please do this" would be constructive. 

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Todd Shaner
Legend
Dec 4, 2020 3:50 PM UTC

I'm getting very good results with color negative film as far back as the early 1970s Kodacolor X). Here's an article on my workflow using LR for orange mask removal and PS with an action for inversion, toning, and color correction. Here's an article Mark Segal and I wrote on scannerless capture with more details.

https://luminous-landscape.com/scannerless-digital-capture-and-processing-of-negative-film-photographs/

Kodacolor II Color negative from 1979 using the above mentioned processing.

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Participating Frequently
Dec 4, 2020 2:27 PM UTC

With old photos and old negatives, face recognition can be very helpful.  It ha limits and doesn't work all the time - but when it does it is useful.

The slider issue is why the plug-in and a Lightroom enhancement is so useful.

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Known Participant
Dec 4, 2020 2:08 PM UTC

Yes but: it breaks all the sliders for adjustments (they work either backwards or just wacky), plus it breaks face recognition (and maybe guided upright and other tools that require image analysis). 

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Inspiring
Dec 4, 2020 11:05 AM UTC

"True, but no use for a raw, non-destructive workflow."

But the quality of the Kodak negative films I've inverted either with my D850 or using LR is so poor that its not worth doing any serious editing on them. Converting to jpgs is about all they are worth - holiday snaps!!

Bob Frost

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Ladev
Participant
Dec 4, 2020 9:54 AM UTC

There is an easy way to turn a negative to a positive using Tone Curves and you can turn this into a PRESET. So the thing is you drag the lightest point from the top right corner straight down (that makes everything Black don't worry) then you drag the darkest point from the bottom left straight up and voila you have a positive of your negative. Save it as a preset by only selecting Tone Curve and set it upon importing to apply to all the negatives or just use it after import and sync. 

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stevel24076854
Participating Frequently
Dec 4, 2020 4:28 AM UTC

Don't be confused with my technical credentials.  My MCSE is Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer.  I was a network engineer on the mainframe at Microsoft for 11 years.  At Microsoft I am retired.  Here, I'm with Adobe products as a tech support professional who works on anything but Light Room because Light Room only does a few things.  Light's and dark's and a catalog like in Elements.  I don't do catalogs but I do help with Element's editor technically.  That's why we help in Adobe Photoshop forums.  I was also on-loan to Adobe as a test engineer in 1992 when they began development on their first Photoshop so I know them well.  Light Room was made several years after and I never worked on it.  I might give technical suggestions but I am NOT a troll.  I have noticed that all of you argue among yourselves.  Maybe you are used to that, but I don't want to be involved with your arguments, okay?  I am not a troll.  Let's keep it that way.  See ya.  

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stevel24076854
Participating Frequently
Dec 4, 2020 2:37 AM UTC

Kevin -

I am not a troll.  I am a tech support professional for Elements in another log.  I got caught in yours by some kind of magic in our online software.  I am only making comments to yours.  You people told me you had a subscription to your program.  I do not.  Neither do I think I'm special.  I am only making a comments.  I don't pay money for mine and its is a full EULA.  I said I can do the same in my Elements that you are seeking and I suggested you buy Elements.  My boss has smiled at me for that suggestion.  Now stop calling me as troll.  My name is Steve.  I have a name.  And . . .  I will stop commenting because all of you are taking my good suggestions personally.  Later gator.  

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