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November 7, 2017
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P: Disable built-in lens profile

  • November 7, 2017
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I own Micro43 and compact cameras, where lens profiles are integrated in RAW files. With software like Capture One Pro, I can easily enable or disable theses built-in profiles. Actually, there is even a slider allowing to enable 0% or 100% of the built-in profile, and whatever percentage in between.

In LR (CC, Classic or LR6), the checkox for enabling or disabling profiles does not work with built-in profiles, which always stay enabled. This seriously limits the possibilities of several cameras which possibilities get unleashed by actual RAW developpers like Capture One Pro.

I'm actually a COP user (after switching from LR) but DAM sucks with COP and this built-in lens profile thing is the only deal breaker for me to come back. So please let users disable built-in lens profiles, or at least offer workarounds.

As a workaround, a dumb "zero" profile that would replace the built-in one (not coming on top of it) could do the job.

131 replies

johnrellis
Legend
July 18, 2019
Camera Raw Engineer Chris Castleberry has stated that Adobe obeys the wishes of Sony with respect to external lens profiles:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/disable-built-in-lens-profile?topic-reply-lis...

So it's a reasonable assumption that Adobe is also obeying the wishes of manufacturers with respect to embedded lens profiles. If that's true, people should be complaining to the manufacturers at least as loudly as to Adobe.  (In my opinion, both are equally negligent in ignoring the desires of their customers.)

The underlying dynamic is likely driven by Adobe's legal department, rather than a business or product decision for "currying favor" with camera manufacturers. In another context (reading capture-date time zones from metadata), an Adobe engineer indicated that Adobe's legal department believes that Adobe software should not, without the manufacturer's legal permission, read information from non-industry-standard, manufacturer-specific metadata fields (e.g. Makernotes and raw information). 

Thus, it appears that Adobe needs contractual permission from each manufacturer to read their raw files. This gives the manufacturers like Sony negotiating leverage with Adobe over what LR may do.

I don't know of other software vendors who have adopted Adobe's legal interpretation about non-standard, manufacturer-specific data fields in raw files. There's certainly a lot of software out there that reads all sorts of non-standard manufacturer-specific metadata.  I spent some time a couple years ago looking online to learn if this legal interpretation was used by other companies and couldn't find anything. In general, laws about "reverse engineering" are a complicated mess and vary by country (and even within the US). 
bryanh72432487
Known Participant
July 18, 2019
I've also noticed that panoramic shots using Photo Merge aren't stitching right when this setting is on. You still have to go into the drop menu and find the right lens. Shooting a D850 and Z 7 next to each other with the same lens and the same pano gear results in near perfect results with the D850 and messed up results with the Z 7. There shouldn't be much if any difference between the two when it comes to getting a good stitch. 
bryanh72432487
Known Participant
July 18, 2019
I agree. It's like when Nikon was saying that all Nikon users should run the RAW files through Nikon's software before using Adobe's software. It was a business decision and not one that favored users.
johnrellis
Legend
July 18, 2019
I agree, it's a tedious workaround for a trivial omission from LR.
Known Participant
July 18, 2019
The thundering silence from Adobe employees on this thread likely suggests that it's a business decision, and not a product (user-oriented) decision, perhaps to curry favor with some manufacturers. Can an Adobe employee please comment on this thread to let us know the real reason you chose to take control away from your users, rather than empower us to make our own choices?
Starrfish77
Participant
July 18, 2019
Yeah, I saw that workaround and it's less than ideal. I shoot thousands of images per day, and I don't want to add another two or three steps to my RAW workflow.

I can't imagine this would take Adobe more than a day to implement, test and push out with the latest Adobe CC release. Why isn't this a thing yet? Have any engineers replied? Two years is unacceptable.
johnrellis
Legend
July 18, 2019
It's frustrating LR doesn't let you disable the embedded lens profile. But there is a tedious workaround: 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/disable-built-in-lens-profile?topic-reply-lis...
Starrfish77
Participant
July 18, 2019
Two years later, and we still don't have a fix?

I was in a drone forum today, where someone was sure his "RAW files were being
cropped" and I assured him this wasn't the case. Until someone said that
Capture One allows you to disable the embedded lens profiles, and that opens up the final "cropping" step after the bit fiddling the lens fixing does.

So we have a large group of people (drone fliers), who see one thing on their screen, compose the shot perfectly, shoot in RAW (like we should almost always do), and when they open it in ACR or Lightroom, they are FORCED into this weird cropping, which removes visible data, and there's no current way to turn the application of these embedded lens profiles off.

Please consider a checkbox option to allow us to disable embedded lens profiles in ACR and LR. (I use LR CC Classic and have an Adobe Creative Cloud account.)

Thanks!
Participant
July 11, 2019
We need to have the option to disable built-in lens profiles from being automatically applied. Not having this option takes away from the freedom we should have to work with raw files. There is no good reason to force users to accept a lens profile, particularly when image data might be cropped out, as seen in some of the above examples. I have no problem with the profiles being applied by default, but I want the freedom to turn them off.

The current arrangement is little different from being locked into a high-contrast color profile, with no option to use a neutral color profile.
johnrellis
Legend
June 21, 2019
Here's how to remove embedded lens corrections:

1. Convert a folder of raws to DNG using Adobe's DNG Converter:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/adobe-dng-converter.html

2. Run ExifTool over the folder to remove the lens corrections:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/10070106#10070106

3. Import the modified DNGs into LR.