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ratz2
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April 1, 2011
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P: More Photoshop like clone/healing/content aware brushes

  • April 1, 2011
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More Photoshop like clone/healing brushes in Lightroom!
I love retouching in Photoshop, especially with the content aware fill with the healing tool, but Lightrooms tools are clunky. I don't know if there are technical limitations to implementing tools like Photoshop's in Lightroom but it would be GREAT!
I would rather be able to get a baseline retouched image in Lightroom than having to edit in Photoshop and then come back to Lightroom. I would rather just use Photoshop for image alterations.

236 replies

Participating Frequently
April 17, 2013
My impulsive "nit-picky" reference was to things like the new "spot replacement" tool struggling to come up with a reasonable default "healing" image segment which definitely can be annoying but the overall improvement in the LR5 version of the tool made that drawback, at least temporarity, seem relatively unimportant. I look forward to not having to fire up PS to use Wire Worm for removing telephone lines, etc.
areohbee
Legend
April 17, 2013
Fair enough TK. (and perhaps I am too easy to please ;-}). Anyway, Eric Chan acknowledged this was a first whack and will likely be improved over time... Cheers, Rob.
Known Participant
April 17, 2013
I second TK's comments, the new clone/heal features in LR5 are a great step in the right direction but they're still not enough, and at least rotation & reflection of the source area + feathering is needed to make the tool truly fit for purpose.
Inspiring
April 17, 2013
Easy to please, are you Rob? :)

While the LR5 beta support of irregular areas is a much welcome improvement, it hardly fits the earlier attitude of "we have to do it completely and absolutely correctly or we don't do it at all".

What about support for rotation between source and target areas?

What about an interactive visualization of the effect on the target (instead of just an opaque white mask painting)?

What about being able to specify the source area first instead of having to find the automatically chosen area in some random place that may not even be within view (Julieanne Kost 's respective video looks more like a "this should be fixed" demo rather than an advert).

What about user-controlled feathering?

This request was never about replicating the power of Photoshop in LR, but I find the current solution to be rather minimalistic.
areohbee
Legend
April 16, 2013
Can this one be marked "Implemented" now? (I think so)
areohbee
Legend
April 16, 2013
If you detect any nit-picky flaws, be sure to mention in the Lr5 beta forum:

http://forums.adobe.com/community/lab...
Participating Frequently
April 16, 2013
I just tried Nikon's NX2 healing brush again to compare and the new LR5 Beta healing/cloning brush is much more useful and flexible while being superior to LR4's implemenation. Let's hope that any nit-picky flaws are corrected prior to it's official release.
MadManChan2000
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
April 16, 2013
Thanks for your feedback, Arnold. Your points are noted and yes, these are all limitations of the current approach. In particular, the algorithm to select a source currently works better for smooth areas (e.g., sky, skin) and less well for textured areas; this will likely be improved in the future.
Known Participant
April 16, 2013
very big step and major improvement.

But there are some minor flaws: removing things near edges often results in unexpected gradients (e.g. if you have a light and a dark area, it's very tricky to remove things near this edge). The algorithms to select a source automatically often takes unexpected areas (see even in the Adobe videos introducing this feature) and a feature to rotate the source versus the target area would help very much!

but anyway: thanks Adobe to have heared to your community!
areohbee
Legend
April 15, 2013
Big step in the right direction - thanks Adobe!

(still a challenge to remove things that are near the edges of things and what have you, since you still have to choose a clone source area, which may not match so well (it's not content-aware fill, unlike Photoshop, and unlike NX2), and no way to line things up by rotating clone source area...)

Still, beats the heck out of stringing a line of bubbles...

Cheers,
Rob