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December 12, 2024
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P: Allow CPUs without AVX2 to install Adobe Products

  • December 12, 2024
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Adobe continues its practice of colluding with other corporations (AMD, Intel, Microsoft) by leaving out perfectly competent computers with AVX (up to 2013), capable of running professional programs much more demanding than LR and PS, in order to force subscribers to buy new computers with AVX2. 

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AxelMatt
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 8, 2025
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I just gave my wife the Z50-II , and guess what: Now we have to also purchase a new computer for her, because these NEF files are not compatible with the 14.01. ...


By @ThomasH_on_the_web 

 

Why you don't convert the .NEF files into DNG files? In this case they are compatible with the 14.01. and you don't have to buy a new machine.

 

My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 8 - PureRAW 5 - Topaz Photo
Legend
April 8, 2025

Both Apple and Microsoft are moving to newer hardware, and yes that has gotten a lot of criticism because perfectly usable computers are no longer usable. At the same time, that's the state of the industry. Expecting 12-year-old processors to be supported forever just isn't reality.

The good news is that capable systems are available for great prices. An base model M4 Mac mini can be had for under US$600 and will run Lightroom and Photoshop quite well, as an example, and should be supported for at least 7-8 years.

Inspiring
April 8, 2025

I know this link. And exactly the MS Health Check utility said to me a while ago "need TPM2" in order to run W11. Since I do not do anything with image processing professionally, I did not even knew of AVX and its specific role. Until LR Classic suddenly "between v14.1 and v14.2" said it cannot update itself.  Oh I am sure Adobe will ignore our plea, I joined this here merely out of principle. I just gave my wife the Z50-II , and guess what: Now we have to also purchase a new computer for her, because these NEF files are not compatible with the 14.01. One more perfectly well working laptop ripe for the recycling... Good for the planet?  No, reckless rather.  Millions of such devices land in a land fill.  There would be something really useful for the infamous 'doge': punish severely software companies for doing that with recycling fees, or force them to pay (say) 50% of every new device needed as a replacement to use their product. You would see than suddenly that AVX2 is not needed to "support a video."

Inspiring
April 5, 2025

That is not correct: "Older CPUs with AVX only cannot run Windows 11" The issue with W11 is rather the requirement for TPM Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0.  However on YouTube (where else ? 🙂 you may find instructions how to install and run W11 with older TPM. As a matter of fact, I know a person who runs W11 on identical Dell Precision with XEON processor. 

But that is only marginal to be mentioned here. Discontinuing hardware support in consumer devices is sadly a trend, forcing users to dispose of perfectly well working and performing devices, and to purchase new ones.  Incl. Apple of course: Their iTunes stopped to support iPods, even if there is no technical reason, or any new work needed to copy audio files to the device. Users are stuck with the set of files in the iPod, and that's it.

Legend
April 4, 2025

All of this will be moot in a few months when Microsoft ends Windows 10 support, and presumably Adobe will begin winding down its Windows 10 support as well. Older CPUs with AVX only cannot run Windows 11 (and I understand that this is headed for an actual hard requirement.)

Adobe is already doing this with video cards, and on the Mac side, any computers released before about 2017 (that are out of support with Apple) cannot run current Adobe software.

Discussing whether this is a good or bad business practice is left as an exercise for the reader.

Inspiring
April 2, 2025

As a veteran in software industry, I assure you, you are wrong. Of course we can provide a functional interface, and use or not use specific set of instructions or a hardware supported feature.  We do that "for ages" in our Database, in diverse GUI implementation and in other clusterware systems. This is called "software engineering."

It is absurd to suddenly introduce such incompatibility in a "minor version" 14.1 to 14.2 or similar.
I would also like to stress that I do not see any improvement in performance between 14.1 and 14.2 on my new XEON workstation (Dell Precision 5820 tower)

AxelMatt
Community Expert
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April 2, 2025
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... Software should emulate this functionality on all processors / motherboards which does not support AVX2.  ...


By @ThomasH_on_the_web 

 

I understand your frustration, but software can't emulate all functions of a CPU. And if there's a emulation is possible in most of the cases it's error-prone and not really performant. So I think it isn't a possible solution.

 

 

My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 8 - PureRAW 5 - Topaz Photo
Inspiring
April 2, 2025

I have the same issue, like many others. I have 4 systems, and on only one of them I was able to install the most recent Lightroom, which supports Z50-II NEF files.  That is not right.  Software should emulate this functionality on all processors / motherboards which does not support AVX2.  One specific case is a Dell XEON system, a robust workhorse. I am close to retirement, and I do not look forward to spend thousands on new PC's, which would do the very same work.

 

Seeing the very low upvote to this thread, I am not optimistic.

Participant
February 21, 2025

jednostronne wprowadzenie AVX2 to brak szacunku do klienta i zmuszanie do kupna nowego komputera lub rezygnując