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MikeAllebach
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November 29, 2023
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Feature Request: Premium License for Generative-Fill

  • November 29, 2023
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As a professional boudoir photographer, with a large following and hundreds of raving reviews and positive feedback, the limits on the Generative Fill for nudity is (while understandable) a bit frustrating. I know it's a difficult workaround but I'm wondering if the following idea could gain any traction for my fellow boudoir photographers.

 

I'm proposing photographers' ability to apply for an Adobe approved professionally licensed use of the AI functions by submitting a body of work, alongside testimonials of clients, as well as reviews. Maybe even proof of the success of the business and it's ethical practices.

 

Based on the limited language of the Generative Fill's guidelines, we don't actually violate them. But the simple nature of the nudity we sometimes have in individual photos, has continuously blocked my ability to lighten the load of manual retouching. There is no generating nudity or "p0rn" or violence or anything. But even using GF to smooth out distractions on our sometimes messy backdrop and floor, gets blocked because of nudity elsewhere in the photo. 

 

We've been a long established, ethical and empowering business for individuals and couples and have been categorized as "p0rn" by more than this particular function. (Stripe kicked us off of their platform citing similar issues with our work.) We would like to be able to take advantage of this growing technology but can't with these restrictions that lump us in with a lot of actually harmful and unethical users.

18 replies

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December 1, 2023

One trick that might help is to make a new temporary layer and roughly paint in some "clothing" on your subject. It wouldn't help if you are trying to generate certain body parts, but it should reduce the violations for other things as the AI would see this temp layer.

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@Kevin Stohlmeyer Much appreciated!! 

Kevin Stohlmeyer
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November 30, 2023

@MikeAllebach I keep using remove no matter what the little dialog box says. It works!

Besides the good discussion - I wouldn't dimsiss your original request at all - there may still be some validation in a tiered format as this evolves. I focused on the violations not your premium point.

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@Kevin Stohlmeyer Yea, that all makes a lot of sense. Although, when I use specific prompts besides "remove" or "." I sometimes get the weirdest results. For example, a client had a bandaid on his knee. I prompted "remove the bandaid" and it came up with an eyeball lol

 

Anyway, thank you so much for your insight. This is clearly not a suggestion that is necessary. Based on my conversation with an Adobe rep, it appears I was misinformed. 

Kevin Stohlmeyer
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November 30, 2023

@MikeAllebach Ive also been told the period trick may no longer work as the AI learns. You may have to be descriptive in your prompts to avoid violations. This alone is a new frontier for most creative people - learning how to be eloquent in their descriptions to get more accurate and expected results.

Kevin Stohlmeyer
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November 30, 2023

@MikeAllebach I can say that the violations are becoming less frequent as the AI learns and Adobe pivots on the back end. The latest release to the algorithm was this month and I've been told saw significant reduction in posted violations. Reporting "false flags" when you get them helps the team and AI learn from mistakes and improves as a whole.

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@jane-e Oh, I'd use content aware or the clone stamp. I just keep playing around and testing it to see if I can detect any pattern at all in the violations. Everthing I'm using it for is stuff I've been doing without it. But I'd love to be able to use it to speed some things up. I most certainly don't "need" it but it's nice to use for some of my more annoying and time consuming work. 

jane-e
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November 30, 2023

 

@MikeAllebach 

 

How did you remove varicose veins before the days of Generative Fill?

 

Jane

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@D Fosse Totally get that. It's just the prompt of either "remove" or even just a . which was suggested in FB groups, still prompts violations that I can't quite figure out. And, not every time either. I did an image today that I took out a lightswitch and outlet. As soon as I went to remove some varicose veins (using remove then . ) gave me a violation. I did chat with 2 people by the way. The first disconnected and the second I asked if they could read my past one so I didn't have to go through it all again and they were able to. So maybe that was still AI... Idk. It's so frustrating!

D Fosse
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November 30, 2023

There's a bit of meta-irony here...online chat is probably AI. I don't know specifically about Adobe, but it is everywhere else now.

 

I think I'd take Kevin's word over an algorithm any day 😉