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MikeAllebach
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November 29, 2023
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Feature Request: Premium License for Generative-Fill

  • November 29, 2023
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As a professional boudoir photographer, with a large following and hundreds of raving reviews and positive feedback, the limits on the Generative Fill for nudity is (while understandable) a bit frustrating. I know it's a difficult workaround but I'm wondering if the following idea could gain any traction for my fellow boudoir photographers.

 

I'm proposing photographers' ability to apply for an Adobe approved professionally licensed use of the AI functions by submitting a body of work, alongside testimonials of clients, as well as reviews. Maybe even proof of the success of the business and it's ethical practices.

 

Based on the limited language of the Generative Fill's guidelines, we don't actually violate them. But the simple nature of the nudity we sometimes have in individual photos, has continuously blocked my ability to lighten the load of manual retouching. There is no generating nudity or "p0rn" or violence or anything. But even using GF to smooth out distractions on our sometimes messy backdrop and floor, gets blocked because of nudity elsewhere in the photo. 

 

We've been a long established, ethical and empowering business for individuals and couples and have been categorized as "p0rn" by more than this particular function. (Stripe kicked us off of their platform citing similar issues with our work.) We would like to be able to take advantage of this growing technology but can't with these restrictions that lump us in with a lot of actually harmful and unethical users.

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MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@Kevin Stohlmeyer It was through the online chat and they were VERY specific about the reasons and how to get around it. They were the one who suggested I post here about this idea. I asked in several different ways and they said that the AI can't differentiate between what is acceptable nudity and unacceptable. What's weird is most of them are fine but then some aren't and get the violation. The prompts are almost always "remove" because I'm taking out things that are distracting in the background that I usually would work with content aware to fix. But this function is much more accurate in replicating the patterns and gradations. 

Kevin Stohlmeyer
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November 30, 2023

@MikeAllebach name doesnt matter but was this through online chat on Adobe.com?

The reason I ask is this is completely opposite of what has been discussed with the internal teams and in this community.

 

We have many other boudoir and other fashion photographers that have shown they are using without issue if using prompts no matter the image content.

 

Here are some publicly posted resrouces:

https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html - "We don't analyze content processed or stored locally on your device."

https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/06/is-adobe-using-your-photos-to-train-its-ai-its-complicated/

 

 

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@Kevin Stohlmeyer Honestly, I'm not sure how to go about finding the name of the person I was chatting with. 

Kevin Stohlmeyer
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November 30, 2023

@MikeAllebach who specifically did you talk with? Online chat?

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

@Kevin Stohlmeyer for example, they told me to avoid the violations, I could make a new layer select the background to remove the subject (ie the nudity) and retouch whatever I was trying to retouch out using GF. Then photoshop the subject back in.

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

Not according to Adobe after an hour long chat with them. I was told specifically that the violation notices I get are because of the content of our work. 

MikeAllebach
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November 30, 2023

Not according to Adobe after an hour long chat with them. I was told specifically that the violation notices I get are because of the content of our work. 

Kevin Stohlmeyer
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 29, 2023

@MikeAllebach your theory is flawed - Generative Fill does not give violations due to the content of your image. More likely it's either the "false-flag" violation by not entering a prompt or the prompt is actually violating the terms.