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July 21, 2011
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P: Support for native full-screen mode on macOS

  • July 21, 2011
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I must say that full screen apps is a wonderful idea. I can start in such a way some of the apple apps (safari, imail, numbers) - I like switching between them. It will be desirable to enable this option for Ligtroom & Photoshop (both CS and Elements) to behave in similar way under new Mission Control stuff...

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Inspiring
January 29, 2015
Right, I suspected that would be a great impetus for a change here and posted to this thread a few months ago saying as much. (Accidentally, that post is under a different account, but same name) However the reason it will take awhile for people to start associating the green button with full screen is twofold. First, most people I know have yet to upgrade to Yosemite, and have shown little to no interest in doing so. Second, existing Mac users have almost been trained not to use the green button because it was so convoluted and unpredictable. The old green button is not actually a "maximize" button as many users think, but rather a "zoom" button that toggles between the window state set by the user, and the standard window state set by the developer. However, because the standard state can be smaller than the user state the green button can in some cases actually cause the window to shrink, which is confusing even if you know the button is called "Zoom". Many developers never bothered to set a standard size (supposed to be the ideal size for the window's contents) and as such the window in those apps simply defaults to maximizing.
Inspiring
January 29, 2015
That normal users not noticing might have been true before, but with Yosemight the default behaviors of OSX was changed. I'd imagine more normal users would notice the lack of a full-screen feature now too.

Yosemite made the default behavior of the green button toggle full-screen, instead of the old maximize behavior. Before the full-screen was a bonus feature not present in all apps, now with Yosemite it's the default.

Most apps have the new full-screen feature by now but Photoshop and Illustrator does not, which makes them stand out.
Inspiring
January 29, 2015
Adobe is notoriously tied to its users's wants. There is a reason the word "workflow" is thrown around so heavily here. My guess is the team is swamped with work on new features and is really only focused on identifying the top ten requests. If this becomes one of the top requests; they will implement it; the problem is just that most normal people don't make a conscious distinguishment between features that are system standards and those that are not. When I tell most people that Photoshop doesn't have a standard full screen mode they give me a puzzled look and show me how to use the existing full screen mode. Granted, pro users aren't normal, but a good chunk of that user base tends to only use Adobe apps for work and thus never notice they work different than most apps. From the development side of things, it would be weird if, say, Photoshop had support for OSX full screen and Illustrator did not. Therefore they would have to have every team work together to push out updates simultaneously that incorporate this function in a consistent manner. Since there are other features wanted by many more people OSX full screen is probably ignored due to cost/benefit analysis. Still I think if we make sure these complaints never die completely, the feature will eventually bubble up to the top of the priorities list.
Participating Frequently
January 29, 2015
Bridge had many other uses, especially as a photographer and graphic designer. However, it was yet another Adobe application running resources from my computer so I developed a workflow around Finder that has become almost just as quick in Yosemite.
Participating Frequently
January 29, 2015
It's unfortunate because the incorporation would only take a few lines of code. Apple makes it really easy for developers to adapt new features to their existing code, and since Photoshop CC does frequent updates with new features being added, I don't see why they can't include it for at least either CC or CC 2014. It would only benefit them to gauge how well it is received overall.
Inspiring
January 28, 2015
Chris Cox, I'll defer to you on that. The other important piece of the puzzle is I'm not a "pro" so it is hard to justify paying for Adobe apps when I don't make money from using them.
Inspiring
January 28, 2015
Funny, I thought it was Adobe's way to circumvent the Finder, too. Bridge had/has larger previews; that is the only think I thought was better about it.
Inspiring
January 28, 2015
No, Bridge is not even remotely a Finder replacement. And the rest of your logic is similarly off base.
Inspiring
January 28, 2015
While it is an impressive mockup I don't think the fact that they haven't responded yet means it's binned. I'm also not sure they would push out a separate beta for this kind of thing. I'd just encourage people you know to chime in. I don't think Adobe has taken the time to rethink this, but if there is enough noise they just might...
mickyhulse
Known Participant
January 28, 2015
Another day, another "wtf" moment with Adobe apps and OS X full screen. Really, does no one at Adobe use OS X and full screen apps??? Sheesh.

Don't get me wrong, I love Adobe apps. But this lack of a feature, one that is found in even the most basic of apps, really drives my up a wall.

Adobe apps mess with my OS X-centric productivity workflow(s)!