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December 6, 2023
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Match Frame to Source Sequence

  • December 6, 2023
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When cutting from a Source Sequence, it would be great to be able to match frame to that same frame in the Source Sequence (not to the original clip).

 

For example, if I have a series of 20 resets in my source, and I am not sure which one I used in the cut, all I need to do is use this 'FIND FRAME IN SOURCE SEQ' command to take me exactly to that point. Then I can see what else I might want to use and try that as an alt.

 

Sure, I could do that from the original clip but:

- then I'd have to get back to the source sequence.

- I also wouldn't have a way of marking things on the Source Sequence (which is the whole point of stringouts)

34 replies

Legend
December 9, 2023

@Mathias Moehl Just saw the embedded video (it doesn't show up if I'm logged in) - that is interesting. 

Notes:
1. Only 'match frames' if the source sequence is visible (e.g. loaded in source monitor and 'load sequence in timeline' activated). 
Be good for the 'source' sequence label to be a drop down of sequences in the project. 
Also, if not loaded with timeline visible, for Run to load the source sequence and pancake the source timeline.

2. 'Run' goes through all video tracks - so if, for example, you have 3 x clips on V1,2,3 and they are all in the source sequence too, then it will flash the matches to V3 and V2 before showing V1.

I think that desired behaviour would be that the track lights in the main sequence are obeyed (like 'match frame' - if V3 V2 V1 all enabled then it matches V3, if V2 V1 enabled then it matches V2. Highest video track is supreme. Match also does audio tracks where A1 is supreme). 

Inspiring
December 9, 2023

@Trevor_Asq 

that would be nice but also blue-sky thinking and I think too complicated. Just the original suggestion would do me.  (On another note, I have to say this forum is terrible for discussion)

Legend
December 9, 2023

What would be really cool would be some kind of metadata in the clip that pointed to the source sequence it came from so match frame first looks for the source selects sequence (like it first pulls up the multicam clip).

 

Obvs you *could* do this by editing from selects as nested sequences, but there's heaps of reasons not to do that.

 

At an extreme you might have:

 

SeqA - autosequenced Original Camera Files (IE so seqTC = cam TC)

 

SeqB - SeqA with gaps removed

 

Seqs C1, C2 etc - B sorted into selects of SOTs, GVs, BRoll, whatever

 

SeqD - Rough assembly

 

SeqE - current edit

 

So each key press of 'sequence match frame' would cycle back through D-> Cn -> B -> A -> source clip. 

 

Easy, right? 😉

Mathias Moehl
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 7, 2023

I just implemented this tool in Automation Blocks for Premiere Pro for you - does it implement what you need?

 

If this is what you need, just

1) download the xml file of the tool

2) install the Automation Blocks trial (download)

3) in the menu of Automation Blocks in Pr click the "load" button to load the xml file.

4) use the tool as shown in the video above

If you want to use the tool on a regular basis, copy it to your Automation Blocks user library to save step 3).

 

 

Mathias Möhl - Developer of tools like BeatEdit and Automation Blocks for Premiere Pro and After Effects
Known Participant
December 7, 2023

Ctrl-Shift-F loads the sequence into the timeline, which is not quite the behavior we're looking for. While this would be helpful for screening the footage around the selected frame, what do you do after that? If you find something to use that's part of this Source sequence, you have to copy the timecode of the playhead position, load the sequence into the Source window, paste the timecode for playhead position, mark in and out, THEN you can actually insert or overwrite it into the sequence. If Match Frame would load the source sequence into the Source monitor, you are ready to insert or overwrite with one click.

MyerPj
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 6, 2023

Ctrl-Shift-F

right?

Inspiring
December 6, 2023

The point being, working as per your request, upon match frame the source sequence opens in the source monitor - you then press escape (or whatever key) and you can see the source timeline. 

Inspiring
December 6, 2023

I'm aware of that shortcut but it's not ideal and it wouldn't really help me. The escape key is surely one of the most used keys in Avid along with all the obvious one. 

Known Participant
December 6, 2023

Matching from timeline to Source timeline is the way Match Frame SHOULD work. With Source window selected, tap Match Frame again and then get the Subclip, if it exists. Then tap Match Frame again and load the source clip. To go one step further, press Match Frame again and show the source in the bin! (Do I need to say that I really dislike the contextual menu that stretches from the top of the screen to the bottom?)

Nick Lear
Inspiring
December 6, 2023

This would make a massive difference to editors who store selects or takes in sequences (which is a lot of us) and want to match back and forth between those.

Just to explain a bit more for people not sure what this is. Pancake editing in Premiere with the selects sequence opened in a timeline "Source monitor > Spanner > Open Sequence in Timeline" is fanstastic for inserting from the source timeline to the current edit timeline. But it would be even better if you could match frame from the edit timeline back to your selects sequence. For example (drama) you have take 4 and you want to see what the alt takes were or (doc) you have a B roll shot and you want to see some alternate shots.