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Premiere Pro CC: can blue text interface be changed back to yellow?

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October 7, 2014
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Just wondering if there's an option in preferences to change the color of the interface text. It used to be yellow and now it's more difficult to see.

I notice the blue text across the entire range of updated programs: AE, PP, Photoshop, etc.

So is it a setting in the cloud itself that would allow me to change the color back to yellow?

If not, not big issue, I'll just have to get used to it. Love the new interface in any case. Much more responsive with no issues.

Thank you, Adobe!

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

Moved to the Ideas forum. Kindly upvote!

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

TimmyCrackCorn

Known Participant

Sorry, Neil ... I sometimes forget I'm posting in the Premiere forum and not AE, or I forget to mention I am talking about AE. Not sure which was the case there, but the "blue issue" impacts both programs (and others, as they did it to the entire line of course.) Direct MP4 export was removed from AE.

I honestly rarely use Premiere as I found a vastly superior alternative in the form of Edius many years ago ... going on more than decade (and a half!) ago. I alone use Premiere when I have to. Not saying Premiere is bad, it just pales in comparison to Edius for just about any task I think of, especially multi-cam and real-time speed.

But, in the case of AE, there really is NOT another program I can just jump onboard. Sure there is Nuke, but it is completely different and I'v spent nearly two decades using (and loving) After Effects.

Appreciate your other points and insight. Thanks! Completely agree, and is my point, on the color schematic -- why not let the user decide what colors work for them. I have this ability in great many programs, many of them "small time" compared to the juggernaugt that is Adobe. Also falls under the "ain't broke, don't fix." I don't remember a single discussion about "those darn yellow keyframes".

-Tim

R Neil Haugen

Legend

I don't remember a single discussion about "those darn yellow keyframes".

Ha! How in the world did you miss those posts? ...

No, that was one of those Decisions From The Forces On High ... PrPro is simply part of a larger company, and that was a Decree from Ceasar. Or something like that. The poor people on the PrPro team took a lot of heat for it, but realistically, I don't think any of them had a say.

Yea, AE is pretty much the program for much what it does. I looked at Edius once ... different strokes for different folks, you know? And besides, coming out of a portrait photographers background, having had our own full lab for our own studio and the printing of the works of other picky-sot photographers, I was real into Pretty of my images. By nature, I'm closer to a colorist than and editor. And PrPro had that nifty Direct Link to SpeedGrade. Which I loved ... the link, that is.

I teach and blog some about using Lumetri, and with the Ripple and a full Elements panel. I know it well ... but ... for heavy duty work, I still use Patrick Zadrobilek's little "PrProBCC" app that mods a CC 2017 PrPro project file so I can work it in SpeedGrade 2105.1, then after saving out of Sg, run it back through PrProBCC to mod it back for PrPro 2017. Takes a few seconds each way.

I really dislike the time and effort to EDL to Sg, or a full XML round-trip to Resolve.

And the old gold highlights were certainly easier on my old eyeballs. But ... I survived. Sigh

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

Hi All,

Locking the conversation. Make your feature request known here: https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

hamishl8611368

Participant

This is a perfect example of "If its not broken, don't fix it!"
Bring back the amber highlight colour.

TimmyCrackCorn

Known Participant

hamishl8611368 wrote
This is a perfect example of "If its not broken, don't fix it!"
Bring back the amber highlight colour.

Yep. That and the same thing along with removal of direct MP4 output is why I have not renewed my CC license in years. Still waiting Adode. I predicted things like this would happen (Adobe not caring what their users think) with the subscription model solidly in place. Why would they?

R Neil Haugen

Legend

That and the same thing along with removal of direct MP4 output is why I have not renewed my CC license in years.

I've had PrPro continuously since CS6, including all the CC versions. MP4 export has been there in every version ... always. No clue what you're talking about. Certainly not PrPro ... CC or otherwise. I export to mp4 every day.

I predicted things like this would happen (Adobe not caring what their users think) with the subscription model solidly in place. Why would they?

Oh, just because of the idiocy of ignoring your customers, and the history that companies that do so become ignored by their customers and go belly up? That still applies, hasn't changed a bit between purchase of a license for a box or for a period of time.

I've read all the things about going to the subscription model "forces the users into serfdom" and prevents them from choosing a different program. Which is of course also a loony fallacy. Any user can at any time choose to run a different program, and cancel their CC subscription. People do all the time. Especially with say Resolve 14 having a "free" version with a now decent basic editing capability.

Still the user-base for PrPro is up from what it was before they went to the "CC" model. Any claim they are completely ignoring their customers ... pretty much dissolves there. You and I may dislike some of the choices made, but ... the larger user-base is working away. Many of them actually pleased with the changes.

Understand, I was one of those who strenuously voiced disagreements with both the switch of highlighted text to blue and the removal of the Direct Link process to take PrPro projects into and back from SpeedGrade with that great one click.

However ... the reality is those of us complaining about the switch to blue were not really that high a percentage of the user-base. So, as the majority of the users were at least willing to work with the blue text, and a smallish minority had a problem with it, I think you could say they went with the majority. I STILL argue for the ability to select the gold ... or perhaps like Audition, the ability to select a lot of the UI 'colors'. Apparently, it's not ... imminent. Sigh.

And the whole dumping of SpeedGrade ... to me, that was not ... wise. At least until they had a full replacement for it, and Lumetri (no matter how much it can do) is not a full replacement for Sg at all. So leaving clients with the choice of Lumetri (which for major or critical projects is too slow), and a full "round trip" process via an EDL to SpeedGrade (and as much experience as I have with that, it's still problematic at best), or an XML out to Resolve, with the probability of needing time spent in the grading app to conform the project and such ... was simply slowing down the work of their clients no matter which option one chooses.

But there weren't that many of us using SpeedGrade on a daily basis, if clearly more than they understood from their analytics. So yes, they survived that decision also. And ... have more users paying for the subscription. So I don't think the greater user base felt completely outraged over that either.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

feliped87191534

Participant

THIS IS NOT TRON
PLEASE NO MORE BLUE
NO buttons selected blue

I do not like the new blue, stand to be everywhere and is uncomfortable.
Activated buttons do not have to be blue.
Being a long time watching the screen, almost affects how colors persiven.

Contradictorily, it is difficult to locate an some key points.

That is, there are a lot of blue, but at the same time you do not find anything.

THIS IS NOT TROON
PLEASE NO MORE BLUE
NO buttons selected blue

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Posting here unfortunately doesn't do anything, as these are user-to-user forums of the Support side of Adobe. The product teams and their managers do not come "here".

The people who decide the budgets DO get tabulated results (as I've been told at NAB) from all the bug/feature report forms filed by the users. So ... that is the one place to get your feelings at least read.

https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

jstrawn

Legend

R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Posting here unfortunately doesn't do anything, as these are user-to-user forums of the Support side of Adobe. The product teams and their managers do not come "here".

That's not true. But filing a feature request for something you wan to see is still a good idea.

As for why it hasn't actually happened yet despite many requests and this long thread... see Mark's "Correct Answer" at the very start of this thread.

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

So is it a setting in the cloud itself that would allow me to change the color back to yellow?

Hi,

It's great to see that many of you have filed feature requests. Thank you and keep them coming. If you have not done so, it would be so helpful to add your voice here.

Sorry we have not been able to fulfill most of your requests regarding more UI customization. As I have reported in the past, this probably won't come to fruition until the next generation of the UI comes out. That could take some time.

In the mean time, continue to make suggestions on how to improve on the existing UI.

If you want to express how much you do not like the UI, the direction we took, or you have any other negative comments related to the UI, kindly reflect that by submitting a bug report. Product management will then see your specific complaints, so it will be read, understood, and tallied. Any complaints expressed here on the forum will probably only be read my me and not product management. While I can express the issue to management, I have no power to make any direct changes along these lines.

While I know it's frustrating that the forums operate this way, and you need a way to vent your frustration, you need to do so via the bug report form. This forum is primarily a space for troubleshooting current issues with Premiere Pro.

Thank you,

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

Soshman

Inspiring

I think it is funny that this forum is having the same type of problem as the UI problem :-)

The customers have found an easy way to express their dismay with the UI ( some companies spend a lot of money to find out where their customers are unhappy to improve it)

Its easy really...they find a thread on the Adobe forum and vent their frustration

The thread is about a certain topic and people are only writing about this certain topic but because it is not the way

Adobe wants it done...the complaints go unheard.

As customers we see over and over again for several years that if we just write a bug complaint it will have a better chance of getting heard on a subject ...and at the same time we have been informed the UI will not be looked at for a long time

It is a comedy of errors!

To me if your customers have found a place to let issues be talked about regarding design...i don't care if it is on another site...if i care....really care...i will be there reading it and seeing what i can do to resolve people getting upset and letting others know there is a problem.

I also know that for the people that do complain there are many others having the same issue...and NOT complaining directly.

I also know it festers and whatever festers starts to stink and others start to stay away.

But that is a sign to Adobe ( and to be fair many corporations) that there is NO ISSUE because not enough people complained in the way Adobe wants and made it hard to even get the complaints heard. So hard in fact and not understood that poor Kevin has to keep telling people they have another step to really get heard because the people who can change it...never look here.

Bottom line is Adobe wants to force their customers to behave a certain way whether it is dealing with the UI or freely posting complaints on the WRONG place and ignoring it because the customers wont listen.

Kevin i wouldn't want your Job!

But i am sure you could have a great future in politics in the future :-)

PS Problem solved: when threads get hot enough... make it policy that the people who designed it have to read the forum threads with the issue and deal with it!

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

The customers have found an easy way to express their dismay with the UI ( some companies spend a lot of money to find out where their customers are unhappy to improve it)

Soshman,

It's no more difficult to file a bug report or feature request. But people continue to come here to voice their concerns about various issues. Unfortunately, it's an ineffective way of doing so.

Its easy really...they find a thread on the Adobe forum and vent their frustration

The thread is about a certain topic and people are only writing about this certain topic but because it is not the way Adobe wants it done...the complaints go unheard.

You see the issue. These forums are designed for troubleshooting current issues. I wish I could automatically turn threads into bug reports, but I cannot. I have to refer people to the bug report/feature request form that will actually do some good.

As customers we see over and over again for several years that if we just write a bug complaint it will have a better chance of getting heard on a subject ...and at the same time we have been informed the UI will not be looked at for a long time

It is a comedy of errors!

As video editors (myself included), we are not experts in software design and implementation, nor are we aware of what can and can't be done for each version.

With software production, there are constraints (time, staff, budget, etc) that we may not be aware of. UI design and implementation is one of those items that seems to have a lot of constraints. Software bugs can be fixed, features can be added, with bug reports and feature requests guiding us. However, UI "frameworks" do remain constant over multiple versions.

That said, bug reports and feature requests do help a lot. Of course, they must be balanced with all tenets of software creation.

To me if your customers have found a place to let issues be talked about regarding design...i don't care if it is on another site...if i care....really care...i will be there reading it and seeing what i can do to resolve people getting upset and letting others know there is a problem.

Part of my job is to report back to the team about forum issues. It gets back to the team, however, it may not be quantified, tallied, or entered into any database, however. We don't have a massive army of people to track every issue to enter this forum, in addition to "other" forums. It's only me, Rameez Khan, and other volunteers assisting here. Although, it sure would be nice to have a staff large enough to police every complaint on the forum. Here's the news: we do not.

But that is a sign to Adobe ( and to be fair many corporations) that there is NO ISSUE because not enough people complained in the way Adobe wants and made it hard to even get the complaints heard.

I wish there were an easier way, but there isn't. File bug reports to get your voice heard. Ranting like that found on this thread on these forums is not even allowed according to our community standards. I am allowing it because it's an issue (believe it or not) that I'm trying to get fixed and always have always been the guy making the most noise about it internally.

So hard in fact and not understood that poor Kevin has to keep telling people they have another step to really get heard because the people who can change it...never look here.

I do get help from MVPs, other employees, and power users that inform others to file bug reports.

I should also mention that engineering does look at these posts, and sometimes they even reply. Mark Mapes, James Strawn, and Colin Brougham are all examples of QEs that participate fairly regularly here. So saying they "never look here" is not an absolute.

Bottom line is Adobe wants to force their customers to behave a certain way whether it is dealing with the UI or freely posting complaints on the WRONG place and ignoring it because the customers wont listen.

Most software companies react to customer complaints via bug reports. I wouldn't say that our team is going about it wrong. I do see what you're saying, however. Customers do expect, increasingly, that they be reacted to over social media, this forum included. And that the interaction should take place immediately, or nearly immediately. That's a pretty tall order!

We are doing our best to react wherever our customers are found, but again, we only have a limited amount of staff that can react to those complaints.

Kevin i wouldn't want your Job! But i am sure you could have a great future in politics in the future :-)

I appreciate that you see that my task is not an easy one. Keep in mind, for 20 years, I was an editor just like you. Thanks for the idea of going into politics. Intrigued, so thanks.

Problem solved: when threads get hot enough... make it policy that the people who designed it have to read the forum threads with the issue and deal with it!

I would say that the product team is very aware of this issue. I would be happy to continue a discussion of this topic on the Video Lounge forum.

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

clauderozsa

Known Participant

Hi everybody, I was recently thinking of this blue problem in an unusual and not at all related place to Premiere Pro or any editing software: The Paris old Opera House!!!

Why? Because since the opening of the season subtitles are projected in French and English and the French lines are blue ( the English by the way yellow) , the same blue as the one in the UI here. BUT and this is the reason why they are perfectly readable from anywhere in that 2200 seats theater: the background is deep black and you're reading them in a completely unlighted theater. You have not in the immediate surrounding of the screen other colors or lights which are disturbing your focusing system. And that's what makes the whole difference with a UI where your letters and other infos are mixed with the rest of the screen which completely disturbs your way of analyzing the screen whatever the main background color you've set up.

Again from my point of view Adobe UIs should enable in the preferences two items: characters size customization and the same for any colors used in the UI.

But as many here have already said, there's absolutely no will from the company to listen to its customers wishes, they know best and we have to accept or quit.

Have a nice day

Claude

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Nice bit of analyzation on the opera-house titles. Portland Opera simply translates whatever language is being sung into semi-condensed English ... in white.

As to Adobe listening/not listening, they do it their way. So some features the user-base calls for make it through the filtering process as to what they will budget time/expenses for, some don't. There are multiple layers involved, starting with the actual engineering teams at the bottom, going through their managers, then up the line through layers that must also include people looking at overall things for a general area such as the video apps or such, and those even higher looking at the Adobe "brand".

Some things clearly come down from On High on those "brand" issues that just have to be followed by those cashing checks from Adobe, such as if they've imposing an "Adobe Look" on UI's. Some things come down from the General Area people, who are looking into the near future of where they see the associated programs going, what the 'market' user base will in general be interested in working with. This probably has more impact on the features suggested for tools/effects & such. And some things come from the engineers, most of which seem to be decent users of the software in their own right.

So ... some of the things "we've" pushed for have made it into the "do this!" queue. Such as the scopes introduced in Sg 2014, now used in the PrPro Lumetri color panel. A VAST improvement.

Many haven't ... such as some things in audio for PrPro and the ability to modify audio track properties on a current sequence in particular. And of course, the UI color.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Snemanje poroke

Participating Frequently

I can't understand who signed the new GUI of Adobe programs. It's nightmare:

- flat unintuitive and hard to decode fast
- unnatural with phoney 70-es exaggarated colors like magenta and blue
- icons in project panel are now gray; lacking the last bit of see & recognise them fast

- toggle buttons (like for SNAP) are now blue without square shade and har to know what is on/off !!!
- blue kills the eyes

Upper written for Pemiere Pro

- Speedgrade for instance have such tiny font that I must come to 20cm to the 23'' screen (no, my Eyes are fine. they are so so small that they are already aliased and not even solid; like in premiere fonts are small but not that small)
- fonts in speedgrade are dark shade on even darker shade... almost impossible to read.

I use CC 2015.1 just for some specific needs. Everything the old CC (2013) is better. It's like comming home, such a relief to see a WAY MORE NATURAL GUI from older Adobe Premire pro.
- nice, non intrusive colors

- shadows makes easyer to distinct different parts, buttons...
- coloured icons
- shades uder buttons
- no BLUE!!

Adobe, consider giving us option. After all YOU CAN integrate new feature in older CC programs as well, or upside down, use older GUI in new versions too. I bet everything is compatible.

PS: Latest DOT ONE update really pleased me. I hope DOT TWO wil fix this impossible disign, no one likes.

excited_Genie16B8

Legend

no one likes.

I like it. Looking at some tutorials online from older versions of PP, I prefer the blue to the yellow.

Snemanje poroke

Participating Frequently

Blue color is only the tip of an iceberg of this disastrous redisgn. I have multiple version of same programs installed, so I know what am talking about. Working professionally 10 hours per day is something else than watching tutorials on internet, where you line blue over amber. In professional workflow moments count, if GUI is more intuitive and easier to decode for brain.

New redesign is disaster. Maybe looks nicer to some (not for me), but lost usability. I didn't bother with it for so long since I never used any CC2014 app because of it, and now I force myself to use it at some projects because of 2015.1 new features. Mostly I still use CS6 and initial CC for my work.

I ask myaself, why paying CC if I do use most of aps older than CC?

{KMS}

Known Participant

Just watched this technology preview video from MAX 2015 and the UI highlight color is yellow...wonder if they are giving us more control in the next update?

Audio Retargeting - Adobe MAX 2015 - Sneak Peeks - YouTube

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Wow ... hadn't heard anything of this! That's ... interesting.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.

Community Manager

Wow ... hadn't heard anything of this! That's ... interesting.

Neil

Neil,

Project Boxcar is, indeed, interesting. It's really hard to do tricks like this with our current tools.

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

wcn_dave

Inspiring

Add me to the list of users who'd like to select the colour. One the brightest settings and a very good screen, the blue is just about usable, however I can see that it would cause many users headaches. Literally and figuratively.

kingpup

Participant

I agree with most people here who say that the dark blue text on a dark grey background is a readability nightmare. It's amazing how such a little thing can have such a negative impact on the usability of the program. I note that an Adobe staff member suggested lightening the overall color scheme in Appearance to make it more readable - amazingly enough, this makes the text even less readable.

This is one of those things which make you wonder how on earth it ever got past quality control. Text legibility is design 101 and every designer worth their salt knows that dark blue text on a dark background is a readability nightmare which gets worse the smaller the font. As an example, look at the dB readings in the Effect Controls panel. That's the kind of thing that can cause severe eyestrain, especially if you're the kind of person who turns down the brightness of their monitor at night. Yellow would be ideal - whomever persuaded you that yellow was too harsh was completely and utterly wrong. Yellow on dark grey has superb luminance contrast.

I would urge whomever is responsible for UI development on Premiere to read this article about designing with blue, especially the following quotes:

1) Blue has low luminance. The blue primary of white-aligned displays has only about 1/10 the luminance of the green primary due to the relatively strong coloring power of short wavelength light. Furthermore, the blue primary stimulates mostly the SWS cones, which are known to contribute little to the visual process that forms perceptual edges (like those that make up letters). Thus any graphics that differ from the background only in the blue primary will be hard to read.

2) Visual resolution of fine detail is poor for blue. The visual mechanisms that are fed by the SWS cones have been found in psychophysical experiments to have poorer spatial and temporal resolution than those fed only by MWS and LWS cones. This poor resolution is what allows television signals to allocate less bandwidth to the yellow-blue signal component.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Excellent article, kingpup.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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