Want to ripple delete and preserve marker locations when using speed effects

Thanks very much for the info @4977934 Jaber. I have a better understanding of the in-app limitations now. As a side note to any editors out there who also happen to have coding experience, I figured out an amazing solution to all my problems!! You can export your sequence to an xml file, modify it programmatically, and then dragdrop it back into premiere pro!! This means that not only can you solve both problems I described in my op, but also, you become god and make premiere pro bow to your will. Never do another repetitive, carpal tunnel  task again =D

Step 1) Open your sequence.

Step 2) Click File->Export->Final Cut Pro XML.

Step 3) Run your scripts.

Step 4) DragDrop the xml file into your project explorer.

Thanks everyone!

It's impossible to preserve the clips relative locations when changing speed. Pr speed is done at clip level.

So let's say you have 3 clips at 2 different tracks, where clip 2 starts at second 5:

Now let's set the speed to 25%:

You may immagine that clip 2 should now start at second 20, but no, it's still on second 5 because the speed is applied to clips individually and not as a group. Also you will notice that clip 3 was affected by ripple edit and now everything looks scrambled.

Thanks @4977934 Jaber. It's looking like this might be the best I can hope for without starting over. 

Do you have any idea about the other issue where the ripple doesn't work on the clips themselves? Shouldn't they work with ripple speed changes? 

Picture one is in sync and becomes picture two when adjusting speed of all clips to 25%. Very clearly scrambled timing:

Thanks,

Nathan Zurowski

I would duplicate the main sequence, in the duplicated sequence, add a transparent video the same duration of all clips, delete all other clips.

Then I would add that sequence to the original one as a placeholder for markers, I can use speed with that placeholder sequence to spread the markers as I like.

In this case you will be using that clip markers as a visual aid instead of the main sequence markers. I hope that this will not affect your workflow.

Hi, sorry, I'm very new to forums. I should have posted here but instead I posted a new thread:

"Select all clips, ripple time edit: Markers don't move/Clips don't stay in sync relative"

Kevin sent me an email regarding my "still completely broken in 2024" post. He gave me a link to post a bug but I didn't really read the email so, instead of posting a bug, I responded to his email, the "Hi! Thanks for reaching out!" post. After I replied to Kevin, I read his email, realized I'm an idiot, so then posted a bug report in the wrong place which Kevin didn't see, didn't hear from me, so Kevin took the initative to post my email for me. I think that's where the images would have gotten lost (on this thread) because when I copied the below from my email to my post, I had to re-add the images.

Here's my post, sorry for the confusion. 

Hi,

 

 

Then, uncheck this 

 

 

 and uncheck 'Ripple Edit, shifting trailing clips' and then respeed up all the clips to 100%.  

 

As you can see, the ripple edit doesn't move the markers, nor does it keep the clips in sync.

 

 

 

I have a 240fps sequence with 687 markers marking out mouth movements of my fish to sync to music/dialog. It's color coded for each individual fish.

 

 

 

I have a nested sequence for each individual fish which functions as a visual 'click track' type thing that I use to make VO easier to come up with and to sync. Each clip below is the same 1 second long subsequence of a vertical line moving across the screen and makes a click sound when it gets to the end. This click sound is synced to the marker. The click sound and animation are inside a subsequence called SyncBar. Everything you see in green below is the same syncbar sequence.  I attached a render of SyncBar which I hope will help this all make sense. 

 

 

 

Where I screwed up:

I marked everything out at 100% speed 240fps by accident and this goes against my workflow. Everything else I have, I always drop the footage to 25% speed 60fps and then add markers (I have reasons I could explain if you're curious) but this time I forgot to do that and now it looks like I will have to just start over because there's no way I can find to spread the sequence markers out, slow the fish footage down while retaining the syncbar at 100% speed. If I were to nest and slow everything down and just use clip markers instead, then the syncbars slow down too and it looks really gross. If I were to speed the syncbar animation up first, by setting speed to 400% that would later be dropped to 100% when slowing down the whole 687 marker sequence as a nested sequence, then all my other footage using this syncbar would have 400% speed syncbars. I use the same syncbar sequence globally so that I can tweak it and have the changes reflected everywhere.

 

Another potential solution I thought of would be to export the sequence markers to csv, run a script to multiply all the timestamps by 4 and then reimport the markers. I'd have to reposition all the clips but at least I wouldn't have to go resync all the markers. But I can't figure out how to reimport the exported csv. I don't think it's possible. 

 

Another potential solution, I'm currently researching how xmls work in premiere pro. Looking into if I can build a script to generate an xml based off the csv exported markers. Not sure if this is possible,  if you have any tips here, that would be amazing.

 

Please let me know if you have any solutions or if I'm missing some basic workaround or something. 

 

Thanks,

Nathan Zurowski

@QuestionablyDamp,

The images are not in your post (as @Ali Jaber mentioned).

At the bottom of your post, do you see 3 dots and "more" (and when you click "edit reply")? If so, you can edit the post and add the images. If not, just create a new reply and add them one after the other - in the same order you had them in the post.

If they were in the post, they should have moved with the post. If you replied by email, you can't post images in an email reply.

@Kevin-Monahan, the images should have moved with the post, correct?

Stan

Saddly, I can't see any attached images to judge the situation. If there are few sequence markers, I would create a color matte, make it the same duration as all clips, add clip markers to that color matte at the same time of the sequence markers. Then, I would change the speed of the clips and color matte. After that I will use the markers on the color matte to adjust my animation, also you can use those to retime the sequence markers if needed...

Edit: by color matte I meant any placeholder (transparent video, empty graphics layer or whatever..).

Hi @QuestionablyDamp,

I moved your post to "Ideas." I made a couple of small changes to the title and body of your post. Feel free to edit those if you think it would help. Hope the team can assist you with this enhancement. I upvoted. Thanks again for the request.

Cheers,
Kevin

Thanks @4977934 Jaber!

This sounds like an enhancement to the feature, so I've moved it to "Ideas."

Thanks,
Kevin

The same as Kevin, Ripple Sequence Markers is working fine on my side (win 10, Pr 24.1 B85)