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April 16, 2012
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Tempo changes in CS6?

  • April 16, 2012
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Hi there,

Will CS6 allow users to have tempo changes in sessions? 

This is a very common feature that has been missing in Audition but is offered by ever other DAW out there.

Cheers.

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    New Participant
    April 18, 2012

    I'm not even a Midi guy, never used it myself, but reading Steve's posts whenever people complain about ''missing features'' with each new release of Audition is hilariously depressing. When Midi is eventually implemented (not half assed), you guys will get what you want, and he'll look for something else that's missing to defend.

    For now, just accept it for what it is, and hope in the future (update or completely new version) they'll have more of the basics (as well as advanced features included or not included in traditional DAWs or "audio editing software")

    If you're a fan of Audition/Cool Edit, read _Durin_'s posts. Because even when things are missing, he isn't speaking from ignorance.

    Like I said, I'm not big on Midi. But DJwayne2000 (and others) has a point that shouldn't be easily dismissed or ignored. Artists all over the internet are hugely into Midi and would completely ignore a program that is weak in that area. For post-work, Mastering, editing, etc... Audition is still perfectly capable. I'm curious to see how well you guys are doing with Audition since the release of CS5.5.

    I want to see you guys do well. Despite what happened with CS5.5, I am still a fan. CS6 looks like a major upgrade. And I believe it'll do well. There are a whole lot of artists who need really good Midi to really consider a piece of software. Many respectable forums lead me to believe this is so. No use putting down features/tools (and forum members) just because Adobe hasn't been able to implement them correctly. You risk pushing away a lot of current and potential customers. But you know that.

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    April 18, 2012

    Well, you'd be entitled to your comprehensively uninformed views. Unfortunately.

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    April 17, 2012

    Dynamic Tempo Mapping is a feature that is in our feature database backlog, and has been for a long time.  We prioritize it along with everything else during each development cycle and so far it has failed to make it above the cut line.  This isn't because Adobe hates musicians or that video takes priority over everything else, nor does the team have some set criteria to weigh feature priority.  It usually comes down to demand and dependencies. 

    Demand comes from this forum, absolutely, but also via email, customer visits, large license-holder requests, other teams and Suites at Adobe, management, industry trends, and our own intuition.  Dependencies, prerequisite features needed before implementing another, are also a critical factor in how a feature is prioritized. 

    As an immediate example, our Player - the component of Audition that handles the summing, mixing, and output of audio to devices, treats time and velocity of the playhead as static.  We can change the way the ticks on the the ruler are aligned, but a sample of audio is a sample of audio and plays back at 1/n the sample rate of the session.  To support a dynamic tempo map for playback, our player would either need to adjust the speed of the playead across the timeline but keeping the session UI linear, or maintaining the current playback speed but warping the displayed content so that two identical clips might represent completely different durations.  Now, there may be a more clever, simple way of addressing for the clip-based workflow, but demand has not been high enough to devote time to researching this.  It also doesn't really make sense as a playback mode without a MIDI sequencer implementation to take advantage of it,

    However, if what you're asking for is Dynamic Metronome to help with changes while recording, that's another matter.  I could certainly see incorporating keyframe parameter adjustment to the Metronome track to trigger changes to click track tempo and time signature.  Right now, it's a session-level property set.  In the meantime, one could set the metronome for their initial settings, make a time selection of 4 bars, and bounce the master to a new track.  Mute this, change your tempo, and repeat.  Loop enable these clips and you'll have a set of metronome "clips" you can drag around as needed to accomodate your changes.  (Be sure to mute or disable the original metronome track after you've made your changes or things are going to get very syncopated, very quickly.)

    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    Many moons ago Durin stated that multiple tempos within a session, or a tempo automation lane, was something he himself would like to see in Audition.

    I know this feature has been requested.

    We might get surprised...You never know.

    Duff

    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    Maybe they should eliminate the record enable feature too. After all it's only an editing program now, not for music production.

    Sounds to me somebody is just making excuses.

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    April 17, 2012

    djwayne2000 wrote:

    Maybe they should eliminate the record enable feature too. After all it's only an editing program now, not for music production.

    Sounds to me somebody is just making excuses.

    No excuses - just reasons, which Durin has explained further - and also the reason that it really wouldn't be that simple to implement. If Audition didn't record, it really wouldn't bother me that much - of necessity I use dedicated hardware for this.

    _durin_ wrote:

    However, if what you're asking for is Dynamic Metronome to help with changes while recording, that's another matter.  I could certainly see incorporating keyframe parameter adjustment to the Metronome track to trigger changes to click track tempo and time signature.  Right now, it's a session-level property set.  In the meantime, one could set the metronome for their initial settings, make a time selection of 4 bars, and bounce the master to a new track.  Mute this, change your tempo, and repeat.  Loop enable these clips and you'll have a set of metronome "clips" you can drag around as needed to accomodate your changes.  (Be sure to mute or disable the original metronome track after you've made your changes or things are going to get very syncopated, very quickly.)

    That makes a lot more sense - a souped-up version of what you might be able to do with a metronome on a multitrack recorder anyway.

    Kost7
    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    That would be awesome!...  ???

    Paul_Ferguson
    Inspiring
    April 17, 2012

    Isn't a tempo change feature typical of softwares that work with beats and loops and MIDI?

    New Participant
    July 13, 2012

    Like Kost7 said: over on the left side of the multitrack window, click on the Properties tab.  In the Time Display section, you'll find Tempo.  Enter the bpm there that you want.  But be careful with it - some people have been having issues with the metronome - when it gets to the end of the page display, it'll hiccup and throw you off.  Try it.  If it works for you, it's magic.


    Help please!

    I used and still use Cool Edit Pro and I record a number of songs continuous and then I separate the individual songs as in

    Song 1

    Song 2

    In Cool Edit this is done by blocking the individual song

    1. Press CTRL X to cut the song

    2. Press CTRL SHIFT N to open in a new window

    3. Save the file with its name

    4. Press CTRL W to close the open window and then do the same things for all the other songs

    I tried this using Adobe CS6 and while it did it, I could not play the individual songs

    Now the originals were in MP3 format and it saved the songs as Wav, could that be the problem?

    I really appreciate your assistance in this. Can I call you? either phone or Skype

    Joseph